Skill Discussion : Leeches

[Cimegs5088]

yeah I mean, consider that our preventive heals such as succor and adloquim are quite costly, buggy pet ai, and energy drain missing (60% of our regen gone as 2 energy drain recovers almost the amount of 1 Aetherflow) in end game, the gap would be close, with the higher healing amount whm has, I think the gap would be close. It's just my speculation. I do agree that in light party dungeons scholar's mana regen is far superior as compared to whm.

[Raminax]

I've honestly never ever seen Esuna pop the 20% mana thing (I know it's on the tooltip), is it a buff or something?

From what I've seen, Esuna just simply doesn't consume mana every now and then, rather than getting some buff stating that the next Esuna is free.

As for Leeches, the idea I like the most if it had a secondary effect similar to Astra/Veil from other FF games. Works like a plain Esuna, but if it doesn't dispel a debuff, it will instead place a shield for X seconds that will prevent the next debuff from affecting the target. Feels a bit in line with the Scholar's toolkit of prevention and mitigation.

[Alkimi]

I've honestly never ever seen Esuna pop the 20% mana thing (I know it's on the tooltip), is it a buff or something?

I didn't even know such a thing existed. I vaguely remember something in beta about esuna sometimes triggering a buff to make your next one AoE but that was terrible, not exactly something you could rely on.

[reality_check]

Just level white mage if you want Esuna? I notice no difference at all dispeling on my scholar vs my white mage. The "bonus" might as well not even be there.

[Maku]

The Esuna bonus is for mp conservation. Leeches doesn't need a change I would just like to have got it right at 30. 50 SCH and healed all dungeons from Bayfrox on with it without any troubles but I am currently leveling my WHM up and yeah things are simply easier. I do love the SCH play style but I never imagined the absolute ease of WHM.

Sorry for the sidetrack. ^^

[Argentil]

WHM here, the 20% free proc is just there to offset WHMs' lack of MP management. It's an afterthought. I do feel that leeches should have an identity that sets it apart, making it instant cast as an option. I think the spell should be reworked and taken a bit more literally.

You're throwing leeches on someone, aren't you? Have the leeches stay as a buff on the target that trigger when they're afflicted in the form a heal depending on the duration the leeches have been on the target. For every 3 seconds the leeches are active, a stack is placed on the target, up to 10 stacks after 30 seconds for a 300 potency heal.

Just SOMETHING that makes it different from Esuna, preferably something small to make up for it's group healing weakness.

[PiedPiper]

From what I've seen, Esuna just simply doesn't consume mana every now and then, rather than getting some buff stating that the next Esuna is free.

As for Leeches, the idea I like the most if it had a secondary effect similar to Astra/Veil from other FF games. Works like a plain Esuna, but if it doesn't dispel a debuff, it will instead place a shield for X seconds that will prevent the next debuff from affecting the target. Feels a bit in line with the Scholar's toolkit of prevention and mitigation.

Oooo i like this. Course, it'd be nearly worthless cus almost no fights spam a consistent dot on a single target. But more shiny shield buffs is always cool.

Also, relic whm with more time spent playing whm than I want to admit... i totally never knew that about esuna. I'ma just go ahead and say its so minor its not worth worrying about as it being a major edge for one class or the other. If anything, I feel like I am spending more of my mana on esuna as whm (to the point I feel the desire to not cast it as whm) while on sch I never seem to notice the cost.


If we are going to change anythign about sch,: When you are summoning, the quill in your hand matches the one on Omnilex, but the quill in omnilex doesn't disappear. This is ruining my immersion. Clearly, the most important change sch needs is a hotpatch to make it so the quill on omnilex disappears during summoning.

[Deelo]

I think it's unfair how WHM's Esuna is better than Leeches, Esuna has a 20% chance to cost no mana. They both have the same exact mana cost and cast time, since Leeches is a Level 40 JOB skill I think it should be given something to compensate.

WHM should have a fairy that does most of the curing for it too, right? And an AOE that makes everyone in it take less damage, right? And heals that give damage reduction, right?

-facedesk-

[ApolloGenX]

Dispelling is one of those things that either you have to do or don't have to do. Either it's critical, or not- and if it is the healer HAS to do it.

I would be fine with both classes having both esuna and leeches.

Esuna, lower level would act as it does.

Leeches, higher level would last 5 seconds and dispell every 2 seconds... or 6 seconds and dispell every 2, and cost more mana. It would be used either pre-emptively, or used to pulse off multiple status effects.

Most games have some kind of removal and improved renewal like these.

Edit: Leeches is a nasty name, though. I mean- really. Purify, or Cleanse... or something besides leeches? They didn't name Adloquium -"Tournaquet" ... or "Amputate"... why so primitive and gross? ...and while we're at it- Why is the SCH heal Adlo/Succor... and Conj is Cure/Medica???

Seems like it should be Adlo/Medica and Cure/Succor - Thematically, those names go together better. One sounds more... Greek/Latin or something, while the other more new age spiritual soothing...(just talking names, not spell mechanics)

[nocks]

It's kind of lame that our level 40 job ability is an exact clone of Esuna. Not saying that Scholars should get an ability better than Esuna, but it's quite boring, considering it is supposed to be one of the 5 abilities that define us as Scholars.