Pugging HM Titan?

[LongNu]

How many of you have found success with doing this? I (along with the rest of my whole server) have no choice but to pug this run. I don't think it's a hard fight perse, but DF with pugs is absolutely outrageous. Pugs have no patience to sit back and discuss strat, they just yolo in and get angry when a wipe occurs, then proceed to either...

A - Grief entire party till someone else leaves so they won't get the DF debuff
B - Leave Party, sending a whole 7 other people back into q wait times for a new group
C - Rage

What exactly are the people on my server supposed to do? We tried creating characters on higher populated servers but they were full. We were forced to roll on these new servers. Most of the others on my server have no gear nor are they attuned to Titan. We can't pay for runs because, well, people like me are the furthest on my server. So what now?

[LongNu]

I think the actual fight is fine. I like the mechanics and it has engaging difficulty. What I do not like, however, is the DF part. There are so many things wrong with this. Of them all is the group composition. Note that on my server, we cannot custom q because again, we do not have enough people nor the right classes or people simply aren't attuned to the fight. In this case, we are forced to go in q'd with 2 tanks (which is a horrible setup for this fight)

The other is the lack of a votekick feature. This allow trolls and griefers to enter the DF HM and continuously wipe the raid until someone else leaves because they have no desire to get the DF debuff. Evidence is seen here. Now imagine dealing with this for days in a row with no end in sight. Next is the inability to find new members after one leaves. As I stated before, pugs will leave if as much as one person gets hit by an AoE. Making strat and synergizing near impossible to achieve. Gear Check is a factor but honestly the least of my problems.

[LongNu]

This is frustrating and unfun playing the lottery. I know the fight in the back of my head. Doesn't mean the other 7 pugs know a thing. Over 100 times of pug wipes. It's not fun anymore and that is what a game should be providing: fun.

[ntall1]

It is not impossible to gear up for titan using DF groups. DF has CM/AK/Ifrit HM on farm. You can also start an FC and start gearing up your guild. This is not hard, nor is it impossible. Some would even envy your for being able to complete at server firsts.

[LongNu]

It is not impossible to gear up for titan using DF groups. DF has CM/AK/Ifrit HM on farm. You can also start an FC and start gearing up your guild. This is not hard, nor is it impossible. Some would even envy your for being able to complete at server firsts.

Gear is the least of my worries. My FC which only has roughly 5ish 50s cannot even fully q together due to people being on different stages. The whole premise of this thread has nothing to do with premade compositions. It's DF PUGGING. Again, I ask, who has done this through pugging and kindly enlighten one what steps you took doing so.

[Zabuza]

It's kinda screwed up that there is no vote to kick feature for things like what happened in that video... Instead of him just leaving and taking the 15 minute debuff, he decided to grief us for 25 minutes, wasting more of his time and ours. Also if someone d/cs while in your DF group it doesn't count them as gone, so the first one to fall on their sword and leave for the betterment of the group gets the 15 minute debuff :\.

[ntall1]

Sounds like, based on your own gear, that you should not even be trying to pug Titan HM in the first place. Its not hard to level up, and its not hard to gear up for end game. It is very easy in this game. You are acticing like you have hit a wall because other ppl on your server level up to slowly.

Instead of puggin titan. Pug CM/AK until you are an average ilvl of 65 or better. Before that gear ilvl chances are that YOU are the issue in the DF pug group.

[LongNu]

Sounds like, based on your own gear, that you should not even be trying to pug Titan HM in the first place. Its not hard to level up, and its not hard to gear up for end game. It is very easy in this game. You are acticing like you have hit a wall because other ppl on your server level up to slowly.

Instead of puggin titan. Pug CM/AK until you are an average ilvl of 65 or better. Before that gear ilvl chances are that YOU are the issue in the DF pug group.

I do double the DPS of people in twice my gear (Pugs ofc) Gear is not the issue. Again, focus on the thread instead of being an elitist.

[Ryuko]

For a fight like Titan... I consider a DF group a 'learning' experience. For example, even if you watch all the videos in the world and memorize his ability string, nothing compares to actually doing it. After I researched the fight, I joined a DF group to 'practice'. Once I felt confident enough in my own ability to DPS and survive, I joined a pug group on my own server. As I learned more, I joined more restrictive groups and eventually won. I suspect a lot of people do the same. If you are joining a DF group expecting to win, you're probably going to waste a lot of time. I'm not saying it's impossible but... ugh. You only have an hour and a half to win with this group. If you don't win, you'll likely never see these people again and that's progress wasted. You're far better off joining a group on your own server.

That said, I know you mentioned your server has a low population. =/ I would suggest making a thread on your world forums and 'schedule' a time if your FC doesn't have the numbers to do it. Shouting in Revenant's Toll is the 'place to be' when looking for endgame groups on my server. Also... I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but I figured I'd throw it out there anyway...

Premade comps for Titan are USUALLY one of the following:

1x tank, 3x healer, 4x dps (usually two melee)
1x tank, 2x healer, 5x dps (usually two melee)

You can do one or the other, but with three healers and 'okay' geared DPS, you likely won't get past the heart unless you build a level 2 LB. (Auto-attack Titan in phase one until at least a half bar is filled. By that point, you should have enough time to build up to level 2 before the Heart). If your group is great at dodging and the healers are geared/competent, it's easily done with two healers. If the DPS is really good, you won't need a LB at all. It's even been done with ONE healer, but I do NOT suggest this for groups who haven't beaten it before.

[rabbitzero]

It will probably get easier once gearscore limits come in, and if they bad the run sells who mess up runs on purpose, then it will get even better.