[dev1022] Auto-attack system questions and discussion

[Xor]

Adding this feature will just add to the bot issues we already have, and this feature isnt needed. one of the features that got me into this game was the fact that i have full control over my toon's actions in a battle.

if anything i would like to see evade, parry and block as a manual control as well.

[Keith_Dragoon]

I definitely find that spamming attacks gets rather boring after a while...it was interesting at the start but later on it gets dull. It might be ok if there were more useful weapon skills or skills in general that may or may not use tp to break up the monotony.

For example on my lancer 60% of the time I am using the normal attack, 30% a weapon skill and 10% some sort of buff/debuff. If they made the normal attack auto then that frees up a lot of time to chat or whatever but then without some more skills that fill out the time frame battle will seem a bit more dull. I just will not know what to do with the extra time after a while but I guess that is why the battle system is being re-hauled.

pretty much sums up my feelings, in beta I was all like "Oh this is neat and kinda fun *spam spam spam*" on release I was all like "Meh this is decent... *spam spam spam*" now I amd like "Heh... oh wait I should actually fight back instead of browsing eorzeapedia! *spm spam afk die*"

[Dreamer]

Auto attack ruins the other "attacks" each class gets that you purchase with marks. If they add auto attack I hope they don't do away with the flexibility of things like close shot, heavy shot, far shot, heavy slash, heavy swing etc...

A lot of people don't know they exist, and they think all they have for options is "light attack" which isn't the case. If people started using the other optional "standard attacks" you can purchase with marks, they wouldn't be asking for auto attack.

They are attacks that come at a stamina cost greater than "light swing" but have additional effects like generating more TP for the player, reducing the monsters TP each swing, increasing enmity and hitting multiple targets.

These are "standard attacks" that are not TP moves, so if used correctly should make most of the rants about "all I do is push 1 button anyway" moot.

Go buy your class skills, and start using them.

The above quote is very, very true. I've never feel as though I'm spamming attacks in game. As others have said, I feel that adding an auto-attack will severely impact the interactive feel that the game currently has. Though there's certainly room for improvement with the current battle system, there are better ways to do it than adding an auto-attack.

[Synapse]

hmm reading the posts, im gettin the idea some ppl dont know what auto attack really is...and jus going by the name..my experience from FFXI, an auto attack is pretty much the following: your character will auto attack(ONLY the BASIC attack), the speed/delay depends on you weapon, Dagger- fast and low dmg and low TP, while Great Axe- slow, high dmg, high tp. You can overwrite auto attack anytime by using any skills ur class has. If we take FFXIV into account, a Lancer would be doing Light Thrust on auto mode, but if u use Peirce or Full Thrust it would overwrie your automated light thrust and use the prompted move and after these moves are executed it would continue its auto attack.

If the auto attack were to be implemented, it should have a button to disable it any given time (for example sleep mob, or need of killing monster with weaponskills) and perform manual attack - Auto attack should not consume any stamina, but manual spam of basic attack + weapons skills should, also either slow stamina refill or increase cost of skills since auto attack does not consume stamina.
- if u have full stamina bar to spare and you have no TP, you can switch to manual mode and burn the stamina bar with manual spam to get quick TP thn chnage back to auto attack, this can save you in alot of fights where ur abt to die or something :P!

[Seikninkuru]

I welcome auto-attack. It would give me the opportunity to be more flexible with my abilities. As a tank, I don't like having to keep having to come back to basic attacking when I need to do everything I can to make sure that I keep the enemy in my sights. So having myself auto-attack while I use abilities to keep hate will greatly help me.

You're playing the game wrong, at least as a tank. Sorry, but I think the main problem is people are just too incapable of learning how to do anything new. As a tank if you're spamming light/heavy slash while fighting you're doing something wrong, sorry.

[Synapse]

You're playing the game wrong, at least as a tank. Sorry, but I think the main problem is people are just too incapable of learning how to do anything new. As a tank if you're spamming light/heavy slash while fighting you're doing something wrong, sorry.

Whts wrong with using Heavy Slash? its better to gain some hate through heavy slash while trying to use ur others moves such as rampart / sentinel / cure etc to get more hate/survive, and not stand there without doing anything while these skills are charging up.

[Seikninkuru]

The above quote is very, very true. I've never feel as though I'm spamming attacks in game. As others have said, I feel that adding an auto-attack will severely impact the interactive feel that the game currently has. Though there's certainly room for improvement with the current battle system, there are better ways to do it than adding an auto-attack.

Yeah instead of tweaking it, add auto-attack add delays to all weapons(make sure you balance this with damage and everything else), tweak stamina bar to reflect this also... Sounds like the rational solution right? *rolls eyes*

[Seikninkuru]

Whts wrong with using Heavy Slash? its better to gain some hate through heavy slash while trying to use ur others moves such as rampart / sentinel / cure etc to get more hate/survive, and not stand there without doing anything while these skills are charging up.

Umm, because you have phalanx for your hate/dps. Heavy stab(not slash, sorry) takes a 3rd of your stam bar... All of your abilities take up a significant portion of stamina bar... using that as spam is terrible management of your stamina. If you learned how to use your pools tactically it would never be an issue of spamming an attack, your attack is reactionary.

No wonder so many people have problems with the game they're terrible.

[Synapse]

Umm, because you have phalanx for your hate/dps. Heavy stab(not slash, sorry) takes a 3rd of your stam bar... All of your abilities take up a significant portion of stamina bar... using that as spam is fucking terrible management of your stamina. If you learned how to use your pools tactically it would never be an issue of spamming an attack, your attack is reactionary.

No wonder so many people have problems with the game they're fucking terrible.

i dont recall anyone saying spamming heavy/light slash/stab, i was under the impression IF we had auto attack(assuming it doesnt cost any stamina, if it did it, thn auto would be useless), we could focus more on the other ability to keep hate and survive.

[Seikninkuru]

i dont recall anyone saying spamming heavy/light slash/stab, i was under the impression IF we had auto attack(assuming it doesnt cost any stamina, if it did it, thn auto would be useless), we could focus more on the other ability to keep hate and survive.

The complain about the current system and the reason people are requesting auto-attack is due to the feeling they are spamming basic attacks. Thus, they feel, "why should i have to spam this button when the game can do it for me". In that they are correct, they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be spamming from the get go. The original reply I made in this thread was directly related to a gladiator who felt that they were spamming heavy slash and it wasn't fun. I merely pointed out that that is in fact, terrible strategy, and adding on my own opinion that that is why people are uncomfortable with the current system.

You are right when there is absolutely nothing to do you can press heavy stab, will you be spamming it? When was the last time you spammed a basic attack outside of a behest as a glad? I would hope that by level 50(I can assume your sig is out of date) you're not doing that.

Doing leves on 2 star, sure there is no reason to do anything but spam light attack. How would that change with auto attack, you just wouldn't have the chance to use your abilities period. Is that more fun?

There are deep rooted problems with aspects of the game, but if you look at it objectively you can indentify those problems and set up a gameplan for them.

I do nothing but spam attacks. What are you fighting that causes you to feel this way? Behests and low star leves. Answer? Fix those 2. I don't see how a REWRITE OF THE SYSTEM is better.