Job change cooldown, why is there?

[Faedden]

Everyone keeps saying "So it's not abused" about everything! people even suggested adding a cool down on Fantasias so they can't be abused, wtf?

Since we already can't change classes in dungeons or in combat which is great cause I've played a game where you could change classes in dungeons and boy was it awful. How on earth could removing the cool down be abused? 'Specially in a situation like going from a gathering class to a combat class. If you aren't in a party or anything and you're just soloing I just cant see how it can be abused. Maybe I'm stupid =T

[Balaur]

^ Title.

Why is everything placed on cooldown when we jobchange? I played a bit in 1.0 and realize it could have been used more prominently in 1.0 to safetynet yourself in certain situations, and I *think* you could change in combat.

However, here, you can't change in instances, in any scenario. You can't change in combat. When you do, have to wait on hp and mp to regen.

A great example... if I'm mining and see a corpse and feel like being a nice guy, why must I stand around for 45 seconds or so, to cast raise, and then switch back to my miner and wait for cd's to reset (not to mention gathering-points).

If you are in Ul'dah, Gridania, or Limsa Lominsa, when you switch jobs none of your skills are on cooldown.

When you switch jobs, you switch gear. In some cases, you switch Job crystals, which have stats on them (you can't see). This means your HP and MPO can fluctuate, and the system has to use your natural HP/MP regen to refill. If you are switching from a higher-HP/MP class to a lower one, non regen occurs, as there is no excess to fill.

Not being able to change in combat, nor in dungeons, forces you to fight or flee depending on your need. This helps close a loophole whereby a player can attempt to farm mobs by burning down at higher level, then switching to a lower-level class and applying that kill without earning it as that class. Not trolling in dungeons by switching classes also helps, but this has been true for many other MMOs that had "jobs" and "specs." In FFXI, you had to return to your city to change Jobs, while in WoW you could only change specs outside of combat, but it permitted some flexibility in play. FFXIV is more canalized to its need to force party cohesion and forethought. That is, you have to commit to a Job when in a Duty. You are still permitted to switch gear as long as you can wear it as that class/level.

As for "being the nice guy," if you talked to "that corpse" first, then it's likely he'll wait. You're not in a rush, are you? If you were, why'd you wait? Do you want appreciation other than a "thanks" and a bow from the other guy? Doing a helpful task, or attempting to do so, should be its own reward.

[Nipa]

Out of combat rez abilities, after you have unlocked them, should be available whatever your active class is.

Matter of convenience.

[Rhas]

Out of combat rez abilities, after you have unlocked them, should be available whatever your active class is.

Matter of convenience.

Just equip it through your cross class traits. Easy enough.

[Steeled]

Just equip it through your cross class traits. Easy enough.

Gatherers and Crafters can't equip DoM/DoW abilities.

Many jobs can't equip a raise.

Some of the jobs that can might not want to for better use in combat-worthy abilities.

If you are in Ul'dah, Gridania, or Limsa Lominsa, when you switch jobs none of your skills are on cooldown.

Yes, I know about this, and when you join a Duty, it resets most (all?) of your cooldowns to 0. However, this has nothing to do with the inconvenience that I can't just switch, wait on mp/hp regen, and get to what I want to do.

Not being able to change in combat, nor in dungeons, forces you to fight or flee depending on your need. This helps close a loophole whereby a player can attempt to farm mobs by burning down at higher level, then switching to a lower-level class and applying that kill without earning it as that class. Not trolling in dungeons by switching classes also helps, but this has been true for many other MMOs that had "jobs" and "specs." In FFXI, you had to return to your city to change Jobs, while in WoW you could only change specs outside of combat, but it permitted some flexibility in play. FFXIV is more canalized to its need to force party cohesion and forethought. That is, you have to commit to a Job when in a Duty. You are still permitted to switch gear as long as you can wear it as that class/level.

Oh god. As an avid FFXI player of 8 years, Aegis and Ochain, just because it was worse in XI doesn't make the current state excusable.

I'm not asking to change jobs in a dungeon or in combat or anything like that. Nothing of the sort. I'm asking for if I'm running along and want to switch jobs, why can't I? It's just me solo, or screwing around between fates. If I'm bored between fates and want to mine some nodes, why must I wait a minute?

As for "being the nice guy," if you talked to "that corpse" first, then it's likely he'll wait. You're not in a rush, are you?

Maybe I am? So what. Maybe I still know how much it sucks to lay their dead when 40 people went on to the next fate, and even though I wish I could instantly cast raise, I'll still wait it out.

Because it would be abused in other ways. E.g...

If I was a level 50 conjurer and a level 50 black mage, I could get 4 other people like me and go in a dungeon. We could all go blm and aoe like mad, then one of us change jobs and heal, then change back and dps more. I mean imagine binding coil if you could be a whm on one fight and switch to a tank on the next fight, etc etc.

Can't change in combat, not asking to be able to. Can't change at all, at any time, in duties.

Even in open world, I could tank a fate solo, dps it solo, and heal it solo all at the same time.

Can't change in combat, not asking to be able to.

If there actually is some abuse, I can't imagine what it is, other than being able to say, clear an area, and then mine, and then clear, and then mine, and then clear... If a person wants to do that, is that so broken?

[Malamasala]

I guess the tiny abuse you could see from this system is if the cooldowns are not tracked so you could swap back and forth to your job to instantly reset your 1+ min recast abilities to use it every fight.

In my opinion though, most of those 1+ min abilities aren't that awesome that they need a 1+ min delay.

[BlaiseArath]

I'm really sad that I'm still hearing "Too much abuse" "To easy to abuse" as excuses to keep a shite system shite. Seriously, do you people live in a environmentally sound bubble cause its too dangerous to go outside? Hiding behind excuses based in fear of possible outcomes that are incredibly unlikely and improbable is something most people see a psychiatrist for. Not taking chances out of the fear of every possible negative outcome despite its overall positive potential is just not a decision choice i can back.

I support the OP.

There is nothing that can be "Abused" by reducing the cooldown delay drastically or removing it. You can't switch in Dungeons or in combat (including when aggroed and not actually fighting). They already have severely "Abuse resistant" walls in place, the ridiculous cooldown is not necessary... If they're adamant against removing it, could they at least remove it for raise? I mean, what possible harm could there be in allowing us to cast Raise without waiting 45 seconds when all these other abuse walls are already in place?

I shouldn't be punished with a ~1minute combined cooldown on switching to the job, raising, and switching back to continue my activities. my cooldown for raising someone and getting back to my activities is in a lot of cases longer than a weakness timer, How is this not considered an idiotic design choice? I get an essential weakness timer for being nice to someone?

[Dannythm]

For classes it should be more like it wa sin 1.0, where you are limitd to 10 skills, but you could pick up anything from any other class. I don't understand why I can't raise or use protect as a miner or botanist... If I know them.

[Rhas]

For classes it should be more like it wa sin 1.0, where you are limitd to 10 skills, but you could pick up anything from any other class. I don't understand why I can't raise or use protect as a miner or botanist... If I know them.

You couldn't use them in 1.0 on miner or botonist that I remember.

[Felis]

^ Title.

Why is everything placed on cooldown when we jobchange? I played a bit in 1.0 and realize it could have been used more prominently in 1.0 to safetynet yourself in certain situations, and I *think* you could change in combat.

However, here, you can't change in instances, in any scenario. You can't change in combat. When you do, have to wait on hp and mp to regen.

A great example... if I'm mining and see a corpse and feel like being a nice guy, why must I stand around for 45 seconds or so, to cast raise, and then switch back to my miner and wait for cd's to reset (not to mention gathering-points).

In 1.0 it was not possible to change class/job in combat.
gear? yes
weapon from the same weapon categorie? yes
weapon from another weapon categorie to change the class? no

Even in 1.0 every skill started with cool down after changing the class. Only different is that ARR has a short cool down for every skill after changing class while in 1.0 it was the normal cool down for the single skills. You changed class before the fight against the end-boss? Your strong 15 minute CD skill is now on CD for 15 minutes.

Your botanist would have the same problem in 1.0 (DoM and DoW skills was not equipable with DoL classes). Only different would be that the botanist would needed to wait a bit longer before the raise was ready