What was FFXI like when that first launched?

[Reika]

FFXI was garbage >.> NA/EU got to see it with the first expansion, but there was not nearly as much to it prior to that.

Yea, nothing is a total masterpiece right at release, not even every single player games.

[Alzelia]

FFXI was garbage >.> NA/EU got to see it with the first expansion, but there was not nearly as much to it prior to that.

Yea, nothing is a total masterpiece right at release, not even every single player games.

This is when I started playing FFXIV, a couple of months before the second expansion came out. If the first expansion to FFXIV brings it up to that level (literally and figuratively) then I'll be happy.

[Tanaya]

FFXI was garbage >.> NA/EU got to see it with the first expansion, but there was not nearly as much to it prior to that.

Yea, nothing is a total masterpiece right at release, not even every single player games.

Problem is FFXI, when first released in 2002, was only in Japan. NA/EU got it when the "beta test" ended and if I remember right that was in 2004. The game still had massive amounts of problems but it was still widely appealing.

FFXIV released worldwide, with a bigger gaming market, a much bigger campaign advertisement, and most of all as a successor to FFXI. A lot of the mistakes in FFXIV has happened in FFXI as well, but XIV barely had anything at all upon release. Most of all the game was virtually unplayable due to a terrible laggy UI and the Market Wards not having a search function, and all you could basically do is grind to rank 50 and hang up the game.

FFXI may have been garbage but FFXIV was a complete train wreck and all the passengers died on board.

[Reika]

Problem is FFXI, when first released in 2002, was only in Japan. NA/EU got it when the "beta test" ended and if I remember right that was in 2004. The game still had massive amounts of problems but it was still widely appealing.

FFXIV released worldwide, with a bigger gaming market, a much bigger campaign advertisement, and most of all as a successor to FFXI. A lot of the mistakes in FFXIV has happened in FFXI as well, but XIV barely had anything at all upon release. Most of all the game was virtually unplayable due to a terrible laggy UI and the Market Wards not having a search function, and all you could basically do is grind to rank 50 and hang up the game.

FFXI may have been garbage but FFXIV was a complete train wreck and all the passengers died on board.

Actually that link up there says Actual beta ended in April 2002, went live a month later, and saw NA release in October 2003, a years and 5 months later. And it wasn't all the bomb after that, especially because of the requirement to group for EVERYTHING past level 12.

And I wouldnt say FFXIV was totally worse than XI's launch. I've been playing FFXIV since October, and my UI was never laggy beyond the obvious server-side UI crap that they still have going on today, and the Market wards lack of search function just made it take an extremely long time to find anything, but they didnt make it unplayable.

And the train wreck was only really bad to those who thot MMO's launched with flawless victories 100% of the time. I survived it because I knew it was a new MMO and what to expect from new MMO's.

Maybe people would feel a whole lot better if they just released it in Japan in September, then made NA/EU wait a year and 5 months to play it with a possible first expansion again? I sure as hell am glad they didn't do that again. And it's not like we are paying anything right now, SE is just keeping the servers open while they make fixes and additions and prepare for a re-release ^^

[Tanaya]

@Reika: I was going straight from memory, so my years got jumbled. Oh well though.

And the train wreck was only really bad to those who thot MMO's launched with flawless victories 100% of the time. I survived it because I knew it was a new MMO and what to expect from new MMO's.

Maybe people would feel a whole lot better if they just released it in Japan in September, then made NA/EU wait a year and 5 months to play it with a possible first expansion again? I sure as hell am glad they didn't do that again. And it's not like we are paying anything right now, SE is just keeping the servers open while they make fixes and additions and prepare for a re-release ^^

I don't necessarily believe MMOs at launch are 100% perfect, but they're certainly better than what XIV given out, just on content alone. And like I said before, this game was heavily advertised and had a simultaneous release worldwide, and is a successor to XI, an MMO that has been out for 9 years. A lot of these mistakes shouldn't have happened and the game was no different at release when played on Beta. In fact it was the exact same game.

It seems like their experiences from XI didn't carry over at all. The fact they even had to make it free to even keep a sufficient amount of players on servers is about as drastic as I've ever seen anyone do with an MMO. XIV had a much bigger mantle to carry than XI and that's why it bombed harder.

[SuzakuCMX]

@Reika: I was going straight from memory, so my years got jumbled. Oh well though.


I don't necessarily believe MMOs at launch are 100% perfect, but they're certainly better than what XIV given out, just on content alone.

Really? What MMOs did you play at launch that makes you state such bold things?

Specific examples are better support for an opinion than just a statement of opinion.