SE Banning players with large amounts of gil?

[SublimeStylee]

I'd say those that are selling things and making crazy amounts of gil are aware of who is buying their goods. The only reason they are selling these items is because of RMT as there is a lack of gil fountains. It is unrealistic that many players have enough gil to pay the asking price of these crafts.

[Bloodskylah]

I would like to make several points,

First on the claim that people are being banned only for large amounts of gil. I want to call propaganda on that. I've seen multiple spammers disappear off of my black list in the past couple of days. I think the hammer is coming down and the gil sellers are getting nervous. If I were them the first thing I would do is make SE's efforts out to be a clusterf***, get the community up in arms and out for blood, and tie the company's hands.

Second, if your account is on hold then there must be a reason. You ended up in the RMT food chain somewhere and SE is trying to figure out how and why. Be patient. Unless you are obviously guilty, the worst that can happen is you lose a couple days. It's worth it in the long run.

Finally, we all asked for this over and over. Now that something is being done, we turn into a bunch of children. Stick it out and let this get sorted out before we bust out the nails and the cross. RMT HAS to stop.

[Lafell]

-Sorry double post-

[Lafell]

I would like to make several points,

First on the claim that people are being banned only for large amounts of gil. I want to call propaganda on that. I've seen multiple spammers disappear off of my black list in the past couple of days. I think the hammer is coming down and the gil sellers are getting nervous. If I were them the first thing I would do is make SE's efforts out to be a clusterf***, get the community up in arms and out for blood, and tie the company's hands.

Second, if your account is on hold then there must be a reason. You ended up in the RMT food chain somewhere and SE is trying to figure out how and why. Be patient. Unless you are obviously guilty, the worst that can happen is you lose a couple days. It's worth it in the long run.

Finally, we all asked for this over and over. Now that something is being done, we turn into a bunch of children. Stick it out and let this get sorted out before we bust out the nails and the cross. RMT HAS to stop.

So hundreds of people are posting here and on reddit that they have been temporary banned, all with the same reason: Having too much gil on their character (for whatever reason). I guess everyone is lying and doing something shady. How about we start a new thing: Does ANYONE have over 10million gil on a NON-Legacy server, and have you not been suspended?

We all have asked for a solution, but we did not ask for the solution to be: Ban anyone (innocent or not) in order to try to combat RMT. Rather we asked for the solution to be to get rid of RMT and not involve innocent players in the process. If the only way Square Enix can handle RMT is by banning everyone over XXX threshold of gil, then they have many more problems coming their way.

Edit: I am not saying that I disagree with you on your points, obviously their are a lot of steps / measures that must be taken to weed out the RMT. But what Square Enix did is they basically just said "HEY, GREAT IDEA, lets temporarily ban everyone over XX amount of gil on non-legacy servers and THEN figure out how we are going to sort out this mess"

"Second, if your account is on hold then there must be a reason. You ended up in the RMT food chain somewhere" --> If this WAS the cause, I would not even be posting. The reason I am so agitated, is because I know for a fact they just banned over a certain threshold of gil. I have not played on my Gilgamesh character in over two weeks. EVERY item I sold was on the auction house, unless it was to my personal friends or FC, and those items never amounted to more than 100K. How do I know this? Because I never crafted/sold a two star recipe. The highest item's that I EVER sold were relic weapons for 100-150k when people just started hitting 50 and were in a rush to get their weapon. And this was when the servers were just barely opened. Sure, you could say that someone bought gil to purchase that relic from me, but 100-150k for a relic is a price that nearly every level 50 had obtained just by leveling to 50, of course they were dirt poor afterwards.

Secondly, my friend did the same EXACT thing as me. Except he's not banned. Want to know why? Because while I kept saving my 10-15million gil that I made, he blew most of his on getting the two-star gear crafted / HQ'ed. Right now, he's sitting on less than 5 million gil and he is not banned. HE DID have over 10million gil, just like I did. He did participate in the same exact sales I participated in. But he is not suspended and I am.

[Bloodskylah]

Secondly, my friend did the same EXACT thing as me. Except he's not banned. Want to know why? Because while I kept saving my 10-15million gil that I made, he blew most of his on getting the two-star gear crafted / HQ'ed. Right now, he's sitting on less than 5 million gil and he is not banned. HE DID have over 10million gil, just like I did. He did participate in the same exact sales I participated in. But he is not suspended and I am.

Well, it's too soon to tell regardless, one way or another. What can I say? What happened to you sucks and that's a fact. However, it would be best to reserve our judgments until we see the results of this move. It is extreme, mind you. I don't argue that but if it cuts down on the RMT overall and only costs a few people a couple days of their time then it will have been worth it. and if it goes south? Go to town, heads and pikes all around.

[Amyas]

I would like to make several points,

First on the claim that people are being banned only for large amounts of gil. I want to call propaganda on that. I've seen multiple spammers disappear off of my black list in the past couple of days. I think the hammer is coming down and the gil sellers are getting nervous. If I were them the first thing I would do is make SE's efforts out to be a clusterf***, get the community up in arms and out for blood, and tie the company's hands.

Second, if your account is on hold then there must be a reason. You ended up in the RMT food chain somewhere and SE is trying to figure out how and why. Be patient. Unless you are obviously guilty, the worst that can happen is you lose a couple days. It's worth it in the long run.

Finally, we all asked for this over and over. Now that something is being done, we turn into a bunch of children. Stick it out and let this get sorted out before we bust out the nails and the cross. RMT HAS to stop.

Hear hear! This man speaks with reason!

[Bloodskylah]

I never said anyone was up to anything shady necessarily but RMT is a tangled web that connects a lot of people. Their items and money have circulated everywhere. It takes thorough investigation to track these people down. Some people may have bought marketplace items from known botters by accident, received payment from a known botter, or they may indeed be lying. It could be any number of things, but it's not just arbitrary punishment by an either incompetent or spiteful company.

Please don't think that I am downplaying yours or anybody else's bad experience, I'm not. I know how frustrating it is to be unable to play. But the saber rattling is NOT going to help. It's just going to force the company to sit back down on it's hands for fear of inciting people.

Weeding out the bots is all a part of the process, don't blame the doctor for stitching the knife wound in your side, blame the person who stabbed you, if I may use the analogy.

[Herase]

Second, if your account is on hold then there must be a reason. You ended up in the RMT food chain somewhere and SE is trying to figure out how and why. Be patient. Unless you are obviously guilty, the worst that can happen is you lose a couple days. It's worth it in the long run.

This was what i was thinking. Normally people buy gold because they want to purchase something on the marketplace which costs a lot of gil, so legit players end up getting the gold bought from the sellers.

Also it's a trick gold sellers use to transition gold. The player puts an item up for the amount of gold they bought and the gold seller buys it. So it's kind of not surprising that SE is getting a bit suspicious of people selling stuff for super high prices when quite a few people are finding it hard to make money.

Like you said best wait and see, then judge after the investigation is over .

[Aphraell]

Like you said best wait and see, then judge after the investigation is over .

? Seriously?

I pay a subscription to play this game. I'm buying a service. That service is not being provided. For all the people saying to wait it out that's just crap. A lot of us have done nothing wrong and want to play the damn game we are paying for.

If I come across angry I truly believe I have reason to be angry.