Dont kill the lambs!

[ashikenshin]

No that's terrible advice. " I play how I want" cannot
And shouldn't be applied to everything when there's roles to play. You're in the minority if you think supporting a for example;
BLM who thinks he can tank better than a job built for tanking is a good idea. Allowing him to proceed with a cheesed on smile
of support is effectively hindering the Mage.

haha exactly, "play how you want" and make people leave your parties because you suck

[SirSchmoopyofAwesometon]

Dark Devices in Northern Thanalan.

Also, feel free to participate in whatever content you want to do and do it how you want to. If someone's really gonna blist you b/c of some missing exp, then obviously you're better off not having to deal with that individual in the future ^^

The same can be said the other way around honestly.

And more so, since seriously.. 99% of people do it on purpose just to troll

[Amyas]

Until they make it where players can't attack the lambs, no one has a right to complain about jack.

[Welsper59]

Practically every facet of an MMORPG (or anything that involves interaction with others) calls for something called "cooperation". Now, many of you may not realize this, but cooperation is not exclusive to verbal interaction, nor is it exclusive to being in a party with someone. You can just be someone in the area, and there could be a necessary level of cooperation going on. All involved parties are required to "cooperate" if you want a mutually beneficial experience. I have to point out that "mutually" does not mean 50/50. It means that all involved parties accept each other in whatever goal there is to accomplish. Someone is very likely going to get the short end of the stick, in some way.

So for the people who want to end DD early, ask yourself why? Ignoring the trolls, is it because you want to get it done ASAP, ignoring the majority of players' goals? If so, you're just showing that you're not a cooperative person, and really, should be looked down on. It's not like that FATE prevents every other from appearing, and you'd just be taking away from the majority for your own benefit. You're not the only person playing an MMORPG, and if you really think so, or believe that your playing is more important than others, you don't belong here.

[Shougun]

. . .

Really have to disagree. Its just as selfish to be in a group and tell people who cant get in a group to just stand around and watch as they don't accelerate their own exp.

In one scene you are a person not getting any benefit while not ending the FATE even though you can't get significant claims ("one or two mobs every now and then" is just the same as killing mobs randomly, its not FATE worthy). Or in the second scene you end it quickly and everyone is still getting the FATE end reward.

A table-
scenario 1:

group 1 (gets all the kills for the whole timer)
solo 0 (gets zero to only a couple kills and makes the time/exp ratio not worth your time)
winner group 1

Scenario 2:
group 1 (gets some kills (endless adds till solo wins) and fate end exp)
solo 1 (gets some kills (killing lambs) and fate end exp)
winner everyone

Whos really being selfish?

I'm not quite sure how people can do the "My benefit outweighs your loss speech" and then call that person selfish lol.


Optimally of course the person solo would get a group and everyone takes maximum advantage, this is however sometimes impossible. Also when too many people are there even in groups then group with the classes best for fast aoe claim grabbing will see significant benefit, while the other parties again are having near solo pitiful exp. Not condemning players wanting to eat at the endless buffet, makes sense, but these selfish speeches make none.

If you are on a feeding frenzy and others are not- and you are calling them selfish.. what?

Edit: I use solo as example because in my experience of doing DD its almost always a solo person who kills the lambs (4/5 times they even asked for party first), and in the case it wasn't it was a group full of long animation casting classes that couldn't get the claims as fast as flash tanks and long range short animation timed instant cast classes. Haven't actually seen someone end it and at least explicitly say they were ending it because they wanted people to miss out.

[Amyas]

So for the people who want to end DD early, ask yourself why? Ignoring the trolls, is it because you want to get it done ASAP, ignoring the majority of players' goals? If so, you're just showing that you're not a cooperative person, and really, should be looked down on. It's not like that FATE prevents every other from appearing, and you'd just be taking away from the majority for your own benefit. You're not the only person playing an MMORPG, and if you really think so, or believe that your playing is more important than others, you don't belong here.

Sorry, you don't want people to finish it early then don't do it yourself. Devs said its working as intended, either way, so just stop it with that argument. :P No one is forcing you to exploit the fate like that (yes, you're exploiting it, no matter what the devs say)

[ashikenshin]

(yes, you're exploiting it, no matter what the devs say)

this doesn't make any sense

[Amyas]

this doesn't make any sense

Exploit doesn't mean it has to be against the ToS. I could exploit players for a ton of gil if I was the only one capable of x meld, for example. Don't blame people for playing the game how it was meant to be played and 'ruining' your xp when that is how it was meant to be played.

[cainejw]

Exploit doesn't mean it has to be against the ToS. I could exploit players for a ton of gil if I was the only one capable of x meld, for example. Don't blame people for playing the game how it was meant to be played and 'ruining' your xp.

By definition, an exploit in a video game is the use of a mechanic that the developers did not intend. They say they've intended this. Ergo it is not an exploit. The developers have said it's not an exploit, it is working as intended, and this is how it is meant to be played.

Don't blame people for playing the game how it was meant to be played and 'ruining' your xp.

[Welsper59]

Sorry, you don't want people to finish it early then don't do it yourself. Devs said its working as intended, either way, so just stop it with that argument. :P No one is forcing you to exploit the fate like that (yes, you're exploiting it, no matter what the devs say)

I don't think I've ever said that it was wrong or incorrect for them to end it. I was saying they're not a cooperative player. So what if you miss out on one FATE (by solo standards), why purposely destroy what the majority are aiming for? There are going to be people who are ignorant of why people like DD, and end up finishing the FATE early. That's fine, whatever. But to purposely end it, knowing that you're just gonna mess everyone else up, well... it's kinda bad character on your part. Do you miss out on full benefits of the first DD FATE? Yes, but only due to circumstance. Again, nothing to do with right and wrong gameplay, just you as a person. Which is, I think, what the whole underlying argument of DD is about.

You really shouldn't misuse "exploit". Perhaps by your warped use of it, it fits though... so I guess that would explain why you feel it's right. Mind you, the definition is right, but the implications is wrong. You're clearly utilizing the word under a negative pretense, which in this case, would make the use wrong (since there's no wrongdoing by anyone... there's no negative pretense to "exploit" as a result). People do exploit DD, but only by meaning of using the FATE to the max potential (to get the most out of it). In that case, it's no different than claiming the solo player is attempting to exploit DD, but always fails to. Why you feel like pointing out that people "exploit" DD is beyond me.

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It's a never ending cycle as far as who's right or wrong. Both sides are right and wrong. As I mentioned, it's just a matter of character. Imagine if, based on your last sentence, the norm was reversed. Everyone was doing the exp grinding, rather than actually finishing the FATE. Would you do the same and follow them with killing mobs for the 15min? Or would you be the lone wolf and take that away from the others, simply because you think they're wrong to do it that way?