Summoners useless in 24mans?

[Mythrellas]

Of course, but the problem is not so much about what to fix, but how, simply removing the cap right now would mean a lot of my screen being filled with dot/hot icons during content with a large amount of players.

Hence the suggestions of removing the limit, but limit the dots/hots that display on your own screen.

There's also a battle mechanic aspect, maybe they limited the amount of dots/hots so that battles don't finish too quickly cause of a bazillion dots on the mob.

You increase the cap but you do not display all of the debuffs on screen just like every other good MMO does. And why would the mob be dieing too quickly? It's the persons damage, why should our damage me ignored just because there's too many players... Like.... wat?

Has anyone actually proven that this is not just a visual cap? I.e. that all matter, but all icons for each of them are not displayed?

It's easily proven, and yes I have proved it by simply casting all my DoTs on Odin and then casting Fester only to have it to nothing.

[Mythrellas]

How on earth do you figure that? Out of 24 people, only 18 are potentially debuffing, the other 6 are healers. BLM's only have 1 real debuff, so they are the absolute least offenders. BRD's should have plenty of room to share with the tanks at that point, none of the other DPS really have anything significant or long lasting that I'm aware of.. (Yeah a lot of abilities have debuffs attached, but I can't think of any that last terribly long.)

First of all Scholars cast a buff on the tank that puts a debuff on the monster that he's fighting.

Secondly that leaves 30 debuff slots for 18 playe s which gives each player less than 2 debuff slots, and most every class that does damage has 2.

[KerenRhys]

How on earth do you figure that? Out of 24 people, only 18 are potentially debuffing, the other 6 are healers. BLM's only have 1 real debuff, so they are the absolute least offenders. BRD's should have plenty of room to share with the tanks at that point, none of the other DPS really have anything significant or long lasting that I'm aware of.. (Yeah a lot of abilities have debuffs attached, but I can't think of any that last terribly long.)

DRG : Chaos Thrust -> dot of 360 total potency, last 30s / Phebotomize -> dot of 290 total potency, last 18s / Disembowled : debuff of 10% percing resistance, last 30s, must be used for Chaos Thrust. You basically want DRG to not use their 2 skills with the higher total potency (Full Thrust is at the end of a combo) and a debuff which buff their damages quite a bit.

[Kovensky]

How on earth do you figure that? Out of 24 people, only 18 are potentially debuffing, the other 6 are healers.

Scholars are ACN too, and if you want them to just sit out spamming Adloquium you're missing on your extra (ok, about 1/2 each due to the lack of Fester) DPSes.

[Evangela]

not true. it's the only DD that can heal and swiftcast+raise.

swiftcast+Titan = emergency tank.

[Ronyx]

Hey DoTs were worst in FFXI. You could only stick one Bio per enemy even if another person cast it and Bio 1 and Bio 2 didnt stack and Opposite elements cancel out each other like Bio and Dia or like Frost and Burn. So FFXIV is still better and superior in that way.

[Alhanelem]

I see way more than 24 people at FATEs before the debuff limit is reached. I don't think it will be big deal. Obviously, you aren't going to bring like 10 or 20 summoners to it, but you're going to want a few.

[HurtigeKarl]

Has anyone actually proven that this is not just a visual cap? I.e. that all matter, but all icons for each of them are not displayed?

[Eidolith]

Has anyone actually proven that this is not just a visual cap? I.e. that all matter, but all icons for each of them are not displayed?

I haven't seen any proof of this actually, there's something somewhat related, in the party list you can only see 5 buffs/debuffs on character but if you highlight the character there can be more on the character displayed underneath their health bar, so maybe this is actually a non issue, dunno.

Off topic, sjovt navn du har XD

[Yoko_Kurama]

I didn't even know about this cap, i literally sat here drinking my morning coffee (tech support life) reading every post here and I can only hope this potential issue is addressed before the content patch. Although the topic is about summoners there are other classes whose abilities affect enemies. The biggest argument people seem to have here is that during Fate events the monsters still go down even after the cap is reached...This is true, but you also have about 50 people attacking it out in the open world and you aren't in some small dungeon which is purposefully designed for your 24 man team to attack it. Another thing is how would you feel if you realized that your abilities were useless and/or not hitting the enemy because of all the other debuffs being thown at it? Even if said boss is in the end killed, did you as a DOT class truly help? Heck...if some of you are happy just seeing a boss go down while knowing you were just dead weight during the whole fight I don't know where your pride as a gamer is. This needs to be fixed.