Summoners useless in 24mans?

[Ronyx]

Hey DoTs were worst in FFXI. You could only stick one Bio per enemy even if another person cast it and Bio 1 and Bio 2 didnt stack and Opposite elements cancel out each other like Bio and Dia or like Frost and Burn. So FFXIV is still better and superior in that way.

[Eidolith]

As i said, i didn't claim my ideas to be brilliant, but of course if they changed it to scale the summon damage to amount of dots they'd have to adjust the damage output of the summons to not make them op, that's just basic gameplay development, if you make a change, you check and see if it's balanced.

But i agree, the easiest method would be to just reduce the amount of dots/hots that you actually see on your end to be your own and the ones of your party.

And i'd also love to be able to see which dots are mine.

[Alhanelem]

I see way more than 24 people at FATEs before the debuff limit is reached. I don't think it will be big deal. Obviously, you aren't going to bring like 10 or 20 summoners to it, but you're going to want a few.

[Mythrellas]

I see a lot of complaining, valid though it might be, it's still complaining, why don't people try to add what they think might help alleviate the problem? We're a ton of people on this board and sometimes a brilliant idea pops up, who knows, maybe the dev team will pick some of the ideas.

Well my ideas that could help summoners are:

Make it so more of the same dots/hots get added together, so two people throwing bio on a mob makes just one dot with double the potency/time.

Another idea is to make a summon's damage scale depending on the ammount of dots you have on the mob.

Or just increase dot limit and remove the icons for dots that you didn't cast yourself (as i'm guessing the limit might mainly be to avoid too many dot/hot icons cluttering the screen.

Not claiming my ideas to be brilliant or even good, just suggestions.

My idea and most everyone idea is to simply remove the cap...

[Mythrellas]

Are you sure it's a 30 debuff cap per mob, and not just.. you know, a 30 debuff display cap? Either way, how many SMN are you expecting to bring anyway? 24 is just three parties.. You don't need more than one SMN per group honestly, no one does, though that applies to most Jobs in a lot of cases.

Not just summoners are affected by this, the DoT cap will negatively affect groups with zero summoners.

[Krisan]

Not just summoners are affected by this, the DoT cap will negatively affect groups with zero summoners.

How on earth do you figure that? Out of 24 people, only 18 are potentially debuffing, the other 6 are healers. BLM's only have 1 real debuff, so they are the absolute least offenders. BRD's should have plenty of room to share with the tanks at that point, none of the other DPS really have anything significant or long lasting that I'm aware of.. (Yeah a lot of abilities have debuffs attached, but I can't think of any that last terribly long.)

[Eidolith]

My idea and most everyone idea is to simply remove the cap...

Of course, but the problem is not so much about what to fix, but how, simply removing the cap right now would mean a lot of my screen being filled with dot/hot icons during content with a large amount of players.

Hence the suggestions of removing the limit, but limit the dots/hots that display on your own screen.

There's also a battle mechanic aspect, maybe they limited the amount of dots/hots so that battles don't finish too quickly cause of a bazillion dots on the mob.

[HurtigeKarl]

Has anyone actually proven that this is not just a visual cap? I.e. that all matter, but all icons for each of them are not displayed?

[Mythrellas]

Of course, but the problem is not so much about what to fix, but how, simply removing the cap right now would mean a lot of my screen being filled with dot/hot icons during content with a large amount of players.

Hence the suggestions of removing the limit, but limit the dots/hots that display on your own screen.

There's also a battle mechanic aspect, maybe they limited the amount of dots/hots so that battles don't finish too quickly cause of a bazillion dots on the mob.

You increase the cap but you do not display all of the debuffs on screen just like every other good MMO does. And why would the mob be dieing too quickly? It's the persons damage, why should our damage me ignored just because there's too many players... Like.... wat?

Has anyone actually proven that this is not just a visual cap? I.e. that all matter, but all icons for each of them are not displayed?

It's easily proven, and yes I have proved it by simply casting all my DoTs on Odin and then casting Fester only to have it to nothing.

[Eidolith]

Has anyone actually proven that this is not just a visual cap? I.e. that all matter, but all icons for each of them are not displayed?

I haven't seen any proof of this actually, there's something somewhat related, in the party list you can only see 5 buffs/debuffs on character but if you highlight the character there can be more on the character displayed underneath their health bar, so maybe this is actually a non issue, dunno.

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