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    Gil cost for Teleport-Throwing money up in the air? (Reason on post #4 !)

    Imagine that your character is casting a magic and throwing money up in the air.. Does not make sense.

    I know it's a thing to make people spend their gil (gil sink) but that does not make sense, since it's like the same of costing gil to cast a spell like Ruin I or something. I'm not a Samurai to spend Gil on skills (Throw Gil).

    If they want to make Teleport cost something, should've implement something more plausible, like Ragnarok Online's Warp Portal skill, which costs a Blue Gem (bought on store) to actually being able to cast.

    This could add some economy as well, since that item for teleporting could be also Mined or crafted.
    I know simply spending gil rather than having an item on inventory is a lot better but it does not make any sense if you look closely.

    What you guys think?
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    Last edited by RaphaelDDL; 09-26-2013 at 06:22 AM.

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    Not to sound like jerk, but honestly, why does it matter?

    The point of making it cost gil, is to lower the reliance on using the spell, and instead try out exploring or using chocobo porters. Using teleport comes at a cost. Because its a faster mode of transportation, it's gonna have cost(even more so come later in game when teleport costs get higher).

    The idea of using an item that can be mined and sold on the market board is a bad idea, because now you're allowing players to control other player's ability to teleport. As you see with many items on MB, the cost of such an item would be ridiculously high. So to avoid it, players would in turn spend gil on the cheap, yet still expensive, item from vendors, sinking large amounts of gil into that way. Anyway you look at it, it would be a MUCH greater money sink then it is now.
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    The Gil cost for using TP serves as a money sink. There's no difference between using Zeny to purchase the Blue Gem in RO and using it to TP, and using Gil to TP. It's working fine as is.
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    You didn't actually go talk to the NPC who met you when you first went to the aetheryte at L1, did you? >_>
    In a narrative sense, gil is actually spent as... Toll.
    Literally, every aetheryte camp needs money not just for maitenance, but also because setting up an aetheryte camp is very costly and most of them had to be repaired/salvaged after the calamity, so they are deep in debt with ul'dahn investors, and excerting a toll from everyone who uses their aetheryte as a gate (paying on exit since you can enter anywhere but exit on a gate) is a way they use to pay back their debt.

    It's explained by an NPC at level 1 if you remembered to talk to him! He even mentions the true physical cost of teleporting, which is an energy known as anima, yet the cost on the body is so minimal that it doesn't really matters how much you have or how much you spend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slatervonjager View Post
    Not to sound like jerk, but honestly, why does it matter?.
    As I told, the post is just about sense, not about what matters or anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slatervonjager View Post
    The idea of using an item that can be mined and sold on the market board is a bad idea, because now you're allowing players to control other player's ability to teleport. As you see with many items on MB, the cost of such an item would be ridiculously high. So to avoid it, players would in turn spend gil on the cheap, yet still expensive, item from vendors, sinking large amounts of gil into that way. Anyway you look at it, it would be a MUCH greater money sink then it is now.
    Actually on RO you can get the Blue Gem by killing monsters or buying at npc also, pretty cheap (but constant value).


    Quote Originally Posted by Skies View Post
    You didn't actually go talk to the NPC who met you when you first went to the aetheryte at L1, did you? >_>
    In a narrative sense, gil is actually spent as... Toll.
    Literally, every aetheryte camp needs money not just for maitenance, but also because setting up an aetheryte camp is very costly and most of them had to be repaired/salvaged after the calamity, so they are deep in debt with ul'dahn investors, and excerting a toll from everyone who uses their aetheryte as a gate (paying on exit since you can enter anywhere but exit on a gate) is a way they use to pay back their debt.

    It's explained by an NPC at level 1 if you remembered to talk to him! He even mentions the true physical cost of teleporting, which is an energy known as anima, yet the cost on the body is so minimal that it doesn't really matters how much you have or how much you spend.
    I actually didn't bother reading the starter text (I started the character on beta, so I wanted to maximize my little time on playing rather than reading text).

    Thanks for pointing out, I'll start another character just to read it's explanation, this one you provided is actually interesting.
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    Unless you're in a monster hurry, you don't have to teleport. I usually use my chocobo or airship then chocobo to get where I want to go. I'm not usually in such a hurry that I can't take my time to get somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaphaelDDL View Post
    Thanks for pointing out, I'll start another character just to read it's explanation, this one you provided is actually interesting.
    No need! The NPC actually is sitting by the aetheryte, he only gives like 5 lines of explanation when you reach the aetheryte the first time and then goes "I'll be over there if you want more information" and if you go talk to him he says all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaphaelDDL View Post
    As I told, the post is just about sense, not about what matters or anything.
    And what you proposed, didn't make sense, as you're trying to change the game's reason for it costing gil. It already made sense, it doesn't need to be 're-made sense of".


    Quote Originally Posted by RaphaelDDL View Post
    Actually on RO you can get the Blue Gem by killing monsters or buying at npc also, pretty cheap (but constant value).
    Have you ever used the market board before? greed run rampant on there, as do RMTs. And yes, you can buy at vendor, or farm for them yourself, but that doesn't stop the fact that the market board can and will control things.
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    I was already thinking i am the only one.... I agree with the op. I mean, yes, i know its explained why we have to pay, but the way we pay for it doesnt make sense. Like where does the money go when we teleport? We are not giving it to anyone, they just disappear from our pockets. Buying crystals for teleportation would make more sense, and we could buy them in every camp, which would make even more sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRoku View Post
    Buying crystals for teleportation would make more sense, and we could buy them in every camp, which would make even more sense.
    So you accept the fact that you can be magically teleported from on place to another, but you can't accept the fact that your gil is magically teleported out of your pocket to whoever collects the gil?

    Whats makes these crystals make so much more sense? the same questions can be made about your crystals. what happens to them when you teleport. Do they break? do they turn to dust? are they the actual portal? or do they just magically disappear?

    Thank you, but I'd rather not have an inventory slot taken up by an item that makes no more or less sense then the current method, which doesn't take up an inventory slot.
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