Warriors in coil .. It's not happening

[MiaBella]

So, are SCH's inferior end game healers? or just for WARs because they need so much?

Kinda disappointed that WHM pushes so much further ahead.

Solo heal yes. You need to have synergy between the white mage and the scholar for them to really shine due to the fact you can't sit there and spam adoloquiem constantly or you will run out of mp. For the most part though, physick spam has been enough to get me by on my scholar fairly easily up to turn 5. That is when needing a lot of burst healing and the damage mitigation of both a scholar and a whitemages stoneskin as well as burst heals start to come into play if you don't want to risk your tank getting completely obliterated before you even have a chance to get a full cast off.

There is also the factor of Sch having terrible AoE heal capabilities if you don't have your healing fairy out and all of the buffs that it can pop up at once. If you do have them both up you can get some pretty sick regen and damage mitigation + healing on the entire party, but if you don't then you are going to be looking at healing about 350ish to everyone in the party tops with a damage shield which isn't going to cut it on anything past titan.

[TimelessShine]

Yeah does anyone have a video of warrior doing coil turn 1?

[ilJumperMT]

We cleared coil till turn 5 using Warrior tank.

BLM POV - www.twitch.tv/khebeln

WAR POV - www.twitch.tv/browseri

WHM POV - www.twitch.tv/Ageras95

[Alavastre]

WHM has stoneskin which will give whoever has the buff a shield that mitigates 18% of the players HP. Great on Warriors. In fact, I use this on all of my tanks because it doesn't generate as much hate.

But I did heal a Warrior in Ifirt HM, and it was tough keeping his health up. I have noticed that Warriors get hit hard at endgame. I'm hoping I was just playing with a few bad tanks.

[TimelessShine]

Can he make highlights? I click the stream and do not see any videos.

[Alavastre]

There is also the factor of Sch having terrible AoE heal capabilities if you don't have your healing fairy out and all of the buffs that it can pop up at once. If you do have them both up you can get some pretty sick regen and damage mitigation + healing on the entire party, but if you don't then you are going to be looking at healing about 350ish to everyone in the party tops with a damage shield which isn't going to cut it on anything past titan.

As a WHM, I really dislike having another WHM in the group. Mainly because having a SCH makes everything so much easier based on their damage mitigation. You really need both in an 8 man group. Else, us WHM's just burn through our mana.

[Nipaah]

How exactly?

I was under the impression that all provoke did was put you at the top of the hate pile +1 and that's it!

Not a hate builder but just a panic grabber if you lose hate on a mob (that is instantly back off after 1 heal)

Provoke is not a NEEDED skill for WAR at all. Overpower generates x4 hate with defiance up and works much better than a provoke.

Not the one you responded to, but imo I agree with him mainly because of Turn 2 of coils where warriors have to juggle who tanks the boss/enemies due to a debuff they add. Surely it's possible without provoke, but it definitely seems to help our tanks a lot with turn 2.

[Amyas]

Not a hate builder but just a panic grabber if you lose hate on a mob (that is instantly back off after 1 heal)

Provoke is not a NEEDED skill for WAR at all. Overpower generates x4 hate with defiance up and works much better than a provoke.

imo its *needed* if you're a tank period. Sure you could get by without it, but its so much fun if you mess up and let a mob run after a healer/dd and just tab it, 'voke and tomahawk it. I always say 'Get over here!' like Scorpion from Mortal Combat when he does his grapple hook move thingy. Works everytime, without you having to chase a mob down.

[HiirNoivl]

I am not saying they can not do it. Just saying they can not do it effectively as a paladin.

It depends on who you get. I have no issues in Turn 1 as WAR.

I just have an issue getting INTO parties thanks to ignorant statements like these.

[Slickpig]

I can't see them buffing War, otherwise it would make PLD usless. If you had a War with the same staying power as a Pld, but output more damage... then why would you ever take a Pld over War? As it sits now, they are designed to be different. Pld to tank main hard hitting bosses, and War to offtank/backup the Pld as well as crowd control adds. Why does a War HAVE to be buffed? Just accept his roll and move on.

However, if using the DF gives you 2 War's, ie. the game expects the War to main tank in areas where it's not able to, then that's a problem.