Do you think bard desired a nerfing soon.

[Volux]

Bard is just a DPS class with a little bit of support, some of which is critical, so makes them an automatic pick above any other DPS, bad design, is bad.

Just because they are more desireable for the support aspect along with their DPS doesn't mean it's bad game design. Any 4 man instance can be done without a Bard, and there is no requirement to bring more than 1 in an 8 man, leaving 3 other DPS to get spots.

QQ, but bard is regarded as the best dps, not because of most damage but because of the dmg + support. It still is not the top tier dmg endgame but we are desired for our support, not our DPS. Still plenty of room for all and the tweaks that need to be done are to other classes. Bard just happens to have the BEST design and functionality for the class as they intended it to be, where the other classes still have flaws that have been exposed and need some polishing to raise the bar for them.

[Andybell256]

If your bard is topping dps in your group you have bad dd, they are handy and versatile but in no means are they over powered most instances dont even need ballad, and almost never do i have to pop paeon. Most of the time its a requiem which makes blm and smn even stronger and silence you only really need for one boss, which a good monk can solo silence, nerf is not needed the only job that needs tweaking really is war

[ReplicaX]

Working as intended... ilvl Weapon Base Dmg nerf in place since Beta.

Ifrit's Weapon Base Dmg: All DPS minus BRD = 39 <> BRD = 35

Garuda|Titan|Mog Base Dmg: All DPS minus BRD = 41 <> BRD = 37

Relic Base Dmg: All DPS minus BRD = 44 <> BRD = 40

Relic +1 Base Dmg: All DPS minus BRD = 46 <> BRD = 41


- We are already punished for our mobility from a base damage adjustment.
- We are already punished for our utility from a 20% Damage adjustment with Ballad or Peon on.

You want to nerf us even more?
If the other DPS are truly a DMG issue and not a Skill issue then indeed buff them.
However it doesn't seem to be a DMG issue atm, more a situation and skill issue.

- SE has actual numbers and internal testing.
- Client parsers are ballpark numbers due to a formula for DoTs.
- Already see inaccurate DPS #s from users that can't use a parser correctly regardless of the DoT calcuation.

[Alcide]

Yeah bro the only dps support class having all the support skills and being top DPS makes much more sense.

I thought there was no support class but only dps classes ? So what's wrong with all DPS having some support skills hmm ?
Is bard a dps or a support ? You bards should set your mind.

You don't want the bard to get stripped of his #1 DPS role because bard is dps as there is no support class in this game, yet you don't want other dps classes to have some support skills because bard is the only support dps ? Makes sense

Ok, let's talk about support.

Silence: bard's have 30 CD, monk and pally can spam them.
Stun: dragoon, monk, paladin and war can stun, bard can't.

All of the bard's exclusive support is about the songs, which are highly situational. So when you don't need any song bard's dps is on par of any other dps job, but in fights where you need paeon for AoE phase, requiem for burst dmg phase and ballad for heavy healing phase (hello turn4) bard's dps is roughly 10% lower than the others.
How is that unbalanced?

[Risbyn]

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So much this. You all want to nerf Bard DPS? Basically, everyone that cries about Bard is asking to destroy the class with your incessant ignorance. You either need to get better players or play better yourselves as a DPS. If you're getting out DPS'd by Bards, you are doing something wrong, end of story.

[Thotor]

Silence: bard's have 30 CD, monk and pally can spam them.
Stun: dragoon, monk, paladin and war can stun, bard can't.

Monk cannot spam silence because it requires a specific stance. It is the worst of all 3.
PLD cannot spam silence. It is 30 sec CD like BRD and has a higher animation time.

Stun is currently not used in end game. And only PLD is a suitable stunner because it is spammable. DRG and WAR have 30+ sec CD on it.

[Trayes]

Working as intended... ilvl Weapon Base Dmg nerf in place since Beta.

Ifrit's Weapon Base Dmg: All DPS minus BRD = 39 <> BRD = 35

Garuda|Titan|Mog Base Dmg: All DPS minus BRD = 41 <> BRD = 37

Relic Base Dmg: All DPS minus BRD = 44 <> BRD = 40

Relic +1 Base Dmg: All DPS minus BRD = 46 <> BRD = 41


- We are already punished for our mobility from a base damage adjustment.
- We are already punished for our utility from a 20% Damage adjustment with Ballad or Peon on.

You want to nerf us even more?
If the other DPS are truly a DMG issue and not a Skill issue then indeed buff them.
However it doesn't seem to be a DMG issue atm, more a situation and skill issue.

- SE has actual numbers and internal testing.
- Client parsers are ballpark numbers due to a formula for DoTs.
- Already see inaccurate DPS #s from users that can't use a parser correctly regardless of the DoT calcuation.

You are giving real info without the reasons for it.. Why do other DPS have higher base damage.


Melee - Because they don't have a 20-30% damage boost up 100% of the time from a trait and have to deal with melee range AOEs
Casters - Because they don't have an auto attack or as much mobility/utility

BRDs have lower base damage because that have a passive that boosts it and an auto attack that is always going off. Peoples problem with BRD isn't that it deals INSANE DAMAGE. People have a problem with it because it does the SAME DAMAGE but because it is so mobile you are going to be doing damage 100% of the time so you can do more than other classes. Also because BRDs are so easy to play it is hard to mess it up.

[Farrell]

I am myself BLM and I play with a friend BRD most of the time.
We are equally geared (full DL and relic +1).

His DPS is too high for the support he brings. All songs are awesome and that Silence is too much.
Not to mention that most of the time, his DPS is above mine (except on a short fight cause of his +elem dmg song) while he is also bringing all that support.

If a Bard and BLM both spent their myth on +1 relics I don't think the Bard would be out dpsing the BLM. Are you recording the damage?

[RyuDragnier]

Monk cannot spam silence because it requires a specific stance. It is the worst of all 3.
PLD cannot spam silence. It is 30 sec CD like BRD and has a higher animation time.

Stun is currently not used in end game. And only PLD is a suitable stunner because it is spammable. DRG and WAR have 30+ sec CD on it.

Since I'm working on a Monk atm (2nd server), I can tell you with certainty that you're dead wrong about Silence. We CAN spam it, as it's a move that takes you into the Raptor (first) stance. It's only a 1 second silence though, and it is governed by the almighty GCD along with a hefty 130 TP cost. And stun IS used in endgame, mostly for the bosses using specific moves you don't want to ever get hit with (see Ifrit HM and Eruption). I'm not even level 50 or doing endgame and I know this just from listening to the Free Company talk about it. I'm starting to question if you know what you're talking about, or if just spouting nonsense.

[Mishaela]

I'm not even level 50 or doing endgame and I know this just from listening to the Free Company talk about it. I'm starting to question if you know what you're talking about, or if just spouting nonsense.

Uh, MNK can't spam silence (PB aside); at best you can use it once every 6 seconds. Not sure what you're talking about, unless you actually think (lol) that Arm of the Destroyer always silences, which it doesn't. Try reading tooltips, champ.

As for stuns not being used, Thotor is talking about things like Garuda, Titan, and Coil, where stun moves either aren't needed (like tank stuns, since bosses are immune) or are just thrown in for free damage not for stun effect (like peak and tackle for MNK).