Quote Originally Posted by Tolmos View Post
FF11 was supposed to be this awesome, amazing community, right? What happened in 14 to change that so.
I never saw that "awesome, amazing community" in ffxi. I think it's a case of those people hanging out with their own guild or whatever, and going "Well, they are great, it's those pugs that suck".


I'll counter with a run last of Preatorium (i forget how to spell that). Two of us had done it before, the rest were all new. We told everyone to go and watch the cut scenes as they happen, we wouldn't mind. Let them discover most things on their own, except for things that really suck to miss (lifts, getting a key for the mount, etc), there were a few wipes on ultima, when you have to run in, then out. No one raged, just took some people time to grock the mechanics of it. Every member seemed to be random. Finished the dungeon, wipes and all cutscenes watched with 20 mins on the clock. The only complaints were that people were ready for the dungeon to be over (i wonder how they felt after then watching cut scenes that lasted that long, heh).

There is plenty of good in the DF, i'd say it's part what you put out too. Everyone needs to relax, and just have fun. This goes for fate ragers who go off in shout if people turn things in or kill certain mobs.