SUMMONER, WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE OR ADD? (EVOLUTION & STAT ALLOCATION)

[Engineer]

Hi I just want to say i love the summoner Job, but there is just something i would love added.

EVOLUTION!

After playing Summoner, I really wish they could grow in strength & size to look more Menacing. This should be achieved through the Summoner quest line when the cap is raised by stealing more power from the Primals. Maybe fighting the hard modes to obtain the stolen power then fighting the evolved egi again to remind it who's the boss would be ideal.



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STAT ALLOCATION!

I wish each Egi had points as well to allocate to stats. I find myself wishing i can give Ifrit more Strength, or even give Titan more Defense.

Yes even if its done Simple.

Magical Attack (0/30)
Physical Attack (0/30)
Phys Defense (0/30)
Mag Defense (0/30)
Action Speed (0/30)
Accuracy (0/30)
Critical Hit (0/30)
Determination (0/30)
Healing Potency (0/30)
Hp Regen (0/30)

Let us have 100 points to allocate per pet.

I would love this, simple and fun.

So yeah i love Summoner, and this thread is to give some ideas to the devs..

Please leave your ideas.

What would you change or add? how are you enjoying it so far?

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Dev. Response.

We discussed your feedback about the design of the egi with the development team. As was mentioned previously during the Beta test, the design planner reiterated that egi were designed to be a manifestation of a percentage of power taken from the primals and are intentionally designed to appear differently from the primal. As such, we aren't planning on changing the look of egi at higher levels.

We will however continue to take in your feedback when creating new egi that will be added in the future.

I appreciate the dev response


But the thing is alot of people are very passionate about the Summoner Job, and its not just another job to level to 50. To them this news is very disappointing.

Alot of players are not using Summoner endgame, most people just leveled it to 50 just to have all jobs at 50. For me, i love pet classes but the look of the egi is too cute and the job itself doesnt really feel like a summoner. I like the job, but i think i say that because its the only pet class in the game.

The least i would want is to have the FFXI summons ported over for the evolutions, its less work on the dev team. You guys can even add the elemental glow to them on certain parts of the body. This way they still look different from the primals and still maintain the Egi Vision SE has.

I just really wish SE would just open both ears and listen to the players feedback on the job that they are passionate about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QAZFey6m24 <------ FFXI Summons

Here is what i Think is ideal for the Egi. Its not big at all, and if implemented i think there should be a toggle to display Egi in sanctuaries ON/OFF.



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EDIT.

I've seen these "I HATE HOW SUMMONER PETS LOOK" threads pop up more than any other criticisms. /

Its Because Final Fantasy has always been about the Summons looking like eye candy. Yes they dont have to be BIG, but the fact they are so small and look like Cute Chibi baby versions of the primals is what people dont like.

As a summoner, the Summons should look like they can protect you, not the other way around. They look like Fancy Minions.

Most gamers understand that having the actual primals as pets dont make sense for the XIV lore, but SE could have made the look of the Egi more Full & Detailed.

I wish SE would have gave us actual summons that they werent going to use as Primals (Ixion, Valefor, Belias, Mateus, Fenrir, Quetzalcoatl ETC.)

There were a few "SMN don't have any burst -- this is stupid" threads during the first week... I guess until people realized we have ways around that and SMN sustained damage is more than enough to make up for our lack in burst when killing adds ASAP. (Fester charges are more than enough to pull your weight on Titan heart, for example... and planning to Bane and spreading DoTs as soon as adds spawn on Garuda will make up for the lack of burst there.)

Summoners arent very good at killing adds quicky since they dont have reliable insta damage moves. Their efficiency against adds are very situational and Inconsistent. Agaist Titans heart, sumoners dont really have a problem. The problem comes more from SMN trying to get players out of the stone titan incases them in.

The aether flow charges arent always there, and still very situational unlike an archers AOE bow, or a Lancers AOE jump. SMN has to pre dot adds, and by then 2 other DD could have taken then down 3 times.

Enkindle Should be reduced to 60 Seconds recast to fix this.

People also complain about Egi damage without actually parsing to see how much damage the pet actually does. I can't give an exact estimate, but a pet definitely does more than 10%. A summoner's damage is already pretty high... it's usually the pet that sets a summoner's full damage over other players with equal gear. Keep in mind that your pet's stats SEEM to increase with YOUR gear. (Or at least the HP from your VIT does... I haven't strictly parsed pet damage with gear on/off.)

10% is very low. The actual Summoner should do 20% of the Pet Damage Since its called a Summoner. The majority of the damage should come from the pet.

Should have been like Scholar, Healing is Number 1 and Dots are 2nd. Pet damage should be number 1, and Dots 2nd.

You can tell something is wrong when when a "Summoner" can perform very well without their pet.

The most legitimate complaint/criticism that I hear involves the fact that summoner operates VERY similarly to an Affliction (DoT spec) warlock in WoW. It's true... although the lore is different... but I can't think of a great 'fix' to this since this is a game that encourages you to ALWAYS be doing something (very rarely do you just 'stand still' like in FFXI). If anyone can think of a great fix to the "Summoner = Warlock" complaint that actually works with this game, please speak up now. Saying, "I wish our pet did more" isn't enough because standing there and commanding a pet just isn't going to work in a fast-paced game like this. We aren't playing FFXI anymore. =

Here is what i think is best.

Pets should do 80% of the Damage while the dots cover the rest.

Fester should be performed through the pet like enkindle and do various things depending what pet is out. Garuda does the norm single target damage fester already does, Ifrit could do a Cone damage version, and Titan can do a PBAOE version which generates more aoe hate.

Moving forward with the level cap increase summoner should only get abilities that involve the pet.

Summoner should Perform through their pet, while dots coming from the summoner should act as a bonus in overall damage.

[Kathryn]

This would be a Great idea I love my SMN but my Egi's seem dead and static like they have no soul or personality.

[Mikejconnor]

i wish summoner would get a complete skill overhaul, dont like the dots and more focus on the summon. i understand this will never happen its just my hope ^^

however i really like the evolution idea op looks and sounds pretty cool.

[Argentil]

I feel similarly, though I don't play a summoner. Most summoners I play with feel detached from their pets. The pet should be doing almost 50% of a summoner's damage, which would force the summoner to care about their pet a bit more. The risk is that the summoner him/herself would be weaker, but I feel that granting the pet more damage would differentiate the job a bit more from other jobs (and afford them more mobility).

In addition to altering the damage ratio between pet and SMN (which is probably currently 2:1 in favour of the summoner), the summons themselves need more personality. I do think that their limited design is purely a PS3/low-end pc memory limitation - but this seems like an artificial problem that is unnecessarily enforced. If minions/companions were given the lowest render order in open world encounters, a lot of low-end graphics users would benefit.

The whole render priority thing is so strange. It should work like so: Enemies>Party Members>Player Pet>Party/Player Companions/Pets>Unpartied Players>Unpartied Pets>Unpartied Companions>Minions. As it is currently, it seems totally random, why would you load minions/companions first? WHY, PS3??

[Rorichan]

They've already said that Summoners will get more egi when they do a level cap increase. But I love your idea of evolving the egi's into a stronger form! Also, if we can allocate stats to our chocobo companions, why can't we to our egi? Seems logical to me.

[silentwindfr]

add of new pet with different skill, like a shiva egi more based on the control, or the leviathan that will be more focus on AoE.

they don't need to create new role for the pet, simply give the choice with different capacity.

[Engineer]

i wish summoner would get a complete skill overhaul, dont like the dots and more focus on the summon. i understand this will never happen its just my hope ^^

however i really like the evolution idea op looks and sounds pretty cool.

What would fix this, or at least be a happy medium is to allow the Enkindle ability to be used every 60 seconds instead of every 300 seconds. Im fine with the dots, I jist feel Summoners lack a reliable insta damage attack.

This would be a Great idea I love my SMN but my Egi's seem dead and static like they have no soul or personality.

Ty. Yeah they feel wierd lol. I feel like as if they are vegetables.

[DracotheDragon]

This would be a Great idea I love my SMN but my Egi's seem dead and static like they have no soul or personality.

i thought that was the perposeful design of them since there just avatars of raw power you have under your command

[DracotheDragon]

i think the idea of them becomeing more and more menicing looking would be a cool idea since ifrit's egi dosnt look that much like ifrit just a red demon but garuda's and titan's look more like the primals

[Draymos]

Egi sizes don't need to change but looks yes. I know they want not everyone to be summoner or pets to block screens like FFXI. I am happy that Summoners can keep pets out now. FFXI Summoners were pure waste. You basically had to merit yourself into be party worthwhile in FFXI. For FFXIV ARR the job itself is great. But ifrit, titan and Garuda look kinda lame seriously. Graphic wise okay but they look nothing like primals. I don't care if they not same power but no legs or tail on Ifrit is dumb. I have worse problem with Ifrit egi. Garuda is somewhat decent but would have been night to have face as well. Titan is somewhat respectable and won't complain too much. All I have to say Leviathan better look sea serpent or it will make no sense. The egi are supposed to be essence of summon primals not worthless elementals.