Ah another good experience (Sarcasm intended)

[AnkoYaoi]

So, I joined this Castrum party for a speedrun. We finished it, pretty quickly actually. Now even before Castrum I noticed something about the SMN Job/Class: They aren't very good with taking down adds ASAP like people desire.

Now, after the dungeon some said "Good job" and w/e. A player commented to that and said "All except *My character*", I replied, "What did I do? Wrong that is?" I wanted to know so that I could honestly, better myself if I did do something wrong (This isn't the main topic about this thread but if you are going to say someone isn't good to their face, give them constructive criticism so that they can learn what they did wrong and work on it). Then I was given a childish 12 year old reply, "Nothin' just messin with you."

So, after awhile the tank leaves having no interest in the runs anymore, and the party started searching for a new one. A party member found a Tank available but only if they could bring their friend (Mind you, the party was full until the tank left). Now, knowing what was said before and what I knew about the adds vs SMN, I came to the conclusion of volunteering to leave to make room (Don't stay somewhere where people don't want you around right?). Now this is the part that gets me. I was honestly not that surprised about getting kicked but flabbergasted at the fact that before I was kicked, no one said anything. It was like I was a piece of trash that they just threw away after they found something new and shiny. Let me put it simple: No one, and I mean no one, should be treated like they are nothing. A quick, "Sorry, thanks for running with us." from the Leader is not too much to ask for... Or is it nowadays?

Anyone else have a similar experience? If so you can share it and we can laugh together.

EDIT: Just found out the party leader was looking for a minimum of DL pieces... Lols... It's funny, I thought Castrum was the right place to farm tomes for AF gear'd people. :P

[Warlyx]

if u get kicked isnt because your are a smn

killing adds in castrum as smn is perfectly doable ,thats why u have bane , if adds are near the boss refresh dots and bane else put dots on random add and bane

OR why better strat , IGNORE ADDS ,and focus boss , while the others jobs kill adds , u know a castrum rush usually has 5 dps if 1 dont touch adds doesnt matter.

if u really need to kill an add asap , use ruin II > drain > ruin II > drain > ruin II > drain > ruin II , yeah u wasted all your charges to kill and add but what u gonna do if u really need to kill it asap? (i used that for wall adds when i was gearing myself) with more gear nowadays i just kill the wall w/o touching adds

[AnkoYaoi]

Thank you for the advice, I'll try that next time.

[Alhanelem]

While SMN doesn't have tons of Aoe, they do have some tools to use. but ridiculing someone for not doing something their job isn't as good at is pretty absurd.

the reason some people demand certain gear for castrum runs is simply they want to keep the runs as short as possible.

[Amocoru]

Sadly, this is how most feel about SMN. I think it's a good job with a really boring/weak play style. I don't mind it that much for boss fights or fights with multiple low-medium HP adds, but on ANYTHING that needs to die at any kind of reasonable speed I never want a SMN. When I queue up for AK and I want to do it in a timely manner and I have a SMN it almost always means that everything will be down to the wire, simply because their overall DPS is SO much lower. I don't have any problems with the job, just the poor design.

[Mistoltin]

So, I joined this Castrum party for a speedrun. We finished it, pretty quickly actually. Now even before Castrum I noticed something about the SMN Job/Class: They aren't very good with taking down adds ASAP like people desire.

Now, after the dungeon some said "Good job" and w/e. A player commented to that and said "All except *My character*", I replied, "What did I do? Wrong that is?" I wanted to know so that I could honestly, better myself if I did do something wrong (This isn't the main topic about this thread but if you are going to say someone isn't good to their face, give them constructive criticism so that they can learn what they did wrong and work on it). Then I was given a childish 12 year old reply, "Nothin' just messin with you."

So, after awhile the tank leaves having no interest in the runs anymore, and the party started searching for a new one. A party member found a Tank available but only if they could bring their friend (Mind you, the party was full until the tank left). Now, knowing what was said before and what I knew about the adds vs SMN, I came to the conclusion of volunteering to leave to make room (Don't stay somewhere where people don't want you around right?). Now this is the part that gets me. I was honestly not that surprised about getting kicked but flabbergasted at the fact that before I was kicked, no one said anything. It was like I was a piece of trash that they just threw away after they found something new and shiny. Let me put it simple: No one, and I mean no one, should be treated like they are nothing. A quick, "Sorry, thanks for running with us." from the Leader is not too much to ask for... Or is it nowadays?

Anyone else have a similar experience? If so you can share it and we can laugh together.

EDIT: Just found out the party leader was looking for a minimum of DL pieces... Lols... It's funny, I thought Castrum was thr\e right place to farm tomes for AF gear'd people. :P

I know the feeling.
Back in a previous MMO I played, I was in a hardcore raiding group. I was your standard typical DPS but I played my role well and I got along with all the higher ups of the guild, on good terms with the leader who would show me how to play my class better when I under performed and stuff. I even had a lot of them added on Facebook and when I wasn't even playing the game I'd still pop into Teamspeak to chat with them. Then, one day during a simple group run, on Teamspeak one of them said something about my mom, kind of one of those "your mom" things or something to that effect.

I wouldn't have minded as much, despite how personally this would have effected me due to what's happened in my life, I let that specifically slip, because I doubt he would have known what I've gone through in life. Though, I asked him again to clarify what he said, because I didn't quite get what he said. He responded, "You heard me", it was at that point that I was insulted. This person had the courage to say things but then buckled up when confronted. I then decided to drop guild after letting the only guild officer online know what happened.

Despite being in their first raid group, despite being great friends with them and being one of the most well known in the guild, they didn't even bat an eyelid and my departure.
It's heartbreaking, knowing that your contribution means naught. I then spent a lot of the game since that point alone, I couldn't set foot in a raid or dungeon because I didn't have anyone to do it with, so I ended up stopped playing.

I don't really know what I could say in positivity, but, I suppose just keep at it, keep trying until you meet good people, befriend those ones, add them to your friends list or linkshell and chat with them. Don't just add people and then only contact them when you want to run with them. Be social. When you run with people who appreciate you, your efforts then you'll have a better experience and you'll perform better.

[Moirear]

Yeah, when I ran Brayflox once, the group gave me no respect, although sadly, I was also the only reason they barely scraped through. The healer would do anything but heal, wasting MP on attacks and sleeps that weren't necessary, the tank dying multiple times. The lancer had awful DPS; so awful that he thought the healer's Stone II was amazing and kept insisting the healer to use it, and when the healer at some point complained that it wasn't his fault that people were dying because his MP were running out, the lancer said that he ran nothing but lancer, no other classes for cross-class skills or jobs and that the healer obviously HAD to have something to restore MP outside of Ethers because hey, Lancers get something to restore TP, right? I had nothing to complain about with the tank, the fact that he kept dying was because the healer failed at healing and the lancer could not kill quickly enough.

I was running as BLM on this, mind you. I could have helped things go along more quickly in the DPS department, but no. Our white mage decides to sleep everything at the same time that I sleep it, wasting MP, even though I insisted that I can cover that because BLM has easily replenishable MP and the tank needs those heals. On top of that, I had to waste a lot of time doing extra healing or emergency healing to keep the tank alive. Which wastes up MP because fights take too long because the three of them are poor at damage dealing. It's a catch 22, because if I can't keep the tank alive, we will not make it, and if I can't deal damage, the tank needs more heals.

This goes along the entire dungeon. After skipping multiple chests, two wipes on the final boss mainly because the tank drops dead and we have not dealt enough damage to finish it off, I explicitly tell everybody how to do stuff. Tank needs to pull the boss from the pools, lancer needs to use full combos and proper positioning and use the two-bar Limit Break, healer needs to do nothing but healing the tank because I can cover the heals on us DPS and the healer himself. The lancer uses an emote, "looks at you in disgust", claims it was an accident. We beat the boss with this strategy and the most hectic juggling of dealing DPS and cross-healing people I've ever done in the game, and eke out a victory on the dungeon with only a couple of minutes left on the timer. The three guys thank each other and leave.

No thanks from anybody, speed right out through the gate, no items won from chest rolls, nothing. Yeah, what a great run.

[Shneibel]

if u get kicked isnt because your are a smn

killing adds in castrum as smn is perfectly doable ,thats why u have bane

a lot of SMN dont use that skill and I am dont know why, it push the SMN DMG to top and kill the adds very quick.

and to add in : in boss fight, always use garuda egil and always drop shadow flare.

[blowfin]

the reason some people demand certain gear for castrum runs is simply they want to keep the runs as short as possible.

This might be the reason stated, but to be blunt, it's idiotic. You might save a few minutes in Castrum with better gear, but any of that saved time is lost when you take longer to form a party coz you're being picky. It's a ridiculously easy dungeon apart from a few gimmicks.

I think the real reason is not wanting to help people who are new to Castrum. That comes from a variety of things, the desire to keep your ego inflated by keeping others down, the perceived notion that you're saving time (dispensed above), and just a general lack of respect for the community.

As for the OP, yeah, you were dealt with very unfairly. As mentioned the dungeon is easy as pie and your DPS being off a bit wouldn't have hurt anyone. You got bullied, not much else to be said.

[Artamie]

Ick. I've had those experiences before and they really don't feel too good. I guess the reason for this stuff happening is that online interactions and even online friendship are mostly just skin deep so you can't count on anyone to empathize with how you feel.