Help, Why do I lose aggro when healer cast regen?

[Onshinn]

as said above, this happened when fighting Garuda(normal).
pulled with tomahawk, then healer cast regen, my aggro died. why?
and it was really hard to pull it back garuda, she was chasing healer around, and I have to keep running at both of them.
Died like many times, one dps got pissed off and left. Dps's said is my fault.
Am I doing something wrong? please help.

[Brannigan]

Regen healing and overhealing causes hate just like anything else.

[CyanDvai]

don't have the healer cast regen when you pull, healers should know this anyways, but also make sure you click off regen before you pull.
Healers should only be casting regen mid fight not at the start

[Amilherix]

don't have the healer cast regen when you pull, healers should know this anyways, but also make sure you click off regen before you pull.
Healers should only be casting regen mid fight not at the start

This. They need to wait before you establish the initial threat. It's nothing you're doing

[Onshinn]

Alright, I see, Next time will instruct healers that, Thanks a bunch!

[Kitru]

The different healing powers have different enmity mods. Regen has an enmity modifier of 1. Cure has an enmity modifier of .5. Cure II and a lot of the bigger heals have an enmity modifier of .8.

Barring Provoke on a target that you have absolutely no threat on while someone else has a crapton, Medica II is the highest enmity generating power *in the game*: it'll hit 8 targets for a potency 200 heal at a .8 modifier and then tick for 500 more over 15 seconds at a modifier of 1. That's 5280 enmity as spell potency *from a single 3 second cast*.

No healer should cast Regen or Medica II *any time* close to an add spawning: 10 seconds before and after a new enemy enters combat is Medica II/Regen no-time. If a healer casts either of those spells during that time, that healer better expect to take more than a few hits to the face by ripping aggro off of the tank, regardless of how good the tank is at generating aggro. Even Shroud of Saints isn't going to do enough a lot of the time: they simply generate *too much enmity* for a tank to rip back.

Most of the time that a healer rips aggro from a tank, it's not the tank's fault: healing generates aggro *really* efficiently, especially when it's AoE healing. A healer that heals indiscriminately is going to give even an *amazing* tank a helluva time.

[Niadissa]

As a healer I notice this too, I try not to cast regen towards the end of a fight, but because it does happen, tanks should also be in the habit of looking at there buffs before pulling, you may have a regen buff lingering from the last fight, and if you pull with that on, you may keep the mob that you hit first, but the other 2 are going straight for me lol

[Tassos]

As a healer I notice this too, I try not to cast regen towards the end of a fight, but because it does happen, tanks should also be in the habit of looking at there buffs before pulling, you may have a regen buff lingering from the last fight, and if you pull with that on, you may keep the mob that you hit first, but the other 2 are going straight for me lol

This will never happen. The enmity from all over-time skills is front loaded, meaning all enmity is generated at the time of casting and not over the duration.

I'm going to try what i saw on another post about crit-berserked combo stuff. i watched every youtube video i could ever find for a war/marauder class. did exactly how they pull, position. I am still the worst tanker despite following what veterans do. ah nightmare..!

I know the feeling. I don't take the game seriously enough and have friends rage at me occasionally for doing a crap job. All in good time eh?

[Addonex]

It does nothing for ripping threat off of someone that isn't grouped with you (like FATE tanking).

Hey Kitru, I too feel Provoke is only useful in the utmost extreme circumstances given the way it functions, and thus don't use it. But that said, I was curious if your above claim of how Provoke worked vs. players outside your own group was accurate, as I've never tested it myself.

I bring it up because of the example of 'FATE tanking' you inserted at the end there. I recall the patch notes before launch noting that they made Provoke unusable in FATES (presumably to prevent people from griefing bosses by leashing them). So that in turn led me to wondering if your claim of how Provoke worked outside the group was accurate for all contexts and you just thought 'FATE tanking' to be a good example of where it might arise, or if it's possible the example you gave was the premise for why you believed that to be the way it functions.

Addonex

[Ikkeh]

Being a lalafel will play a big part in losing aggro as all your abilities will be doing 20/25% less enmity. If you check http://ventusinvictus.blogspot.com/2...din-guide.html it will give you a bit more info.

Normally if I lose agro I will provoke + tomahawk x 2 or provoke + skull sunder/butchers block aslong as the combo is active. I never use provoke + heavy swing as it will just go back to the dpser/healer.

Your rotation looks good but I nearly always Heavy Swing - Skull Sunder - Butcher's Block x 2 just to make sure. Otherwise if someone gets aggro whilst you're doing your dps combo it is a nightmare.

Also you are opening with tomahawk i hope?