Why wasn't the game designed like this?

[Aenarion]

So in other words, you want a system that makes massive profit for you, the crafter/gatherer, and simply costs non crafter/gatherers their life savings for a single piece of gear?

as opposed to you, who would rather that DoH/L stay as irrelevant as they are now?

What we have now is fine. More dungeons that drop Tomes would be nice, and I am fairly certain the 2 new Hard Mode dungeons and the brand new dungeon will all drop Tomes.

Apparently you don't just want DoH/L to be irrelevant, you want to tie them up, burn them, and stomp them into the ground.

You accuse others of wanting to profit from you and hurt your enjoyment of the game, yet you have no qualms about wanting to completely destroy theirs, the hypocrisy is strong with this one.

[Sylve]

as opposed to you, who would rather that DoH/L stay as irrelevant as they are now?



Apparently you don't just want DoH/L to be irrelevant, you want to tie them up, burn them, and stomp them into the ground.

You accuse others of wanting to profit from you and hurt your enjoyment of the game, yet you have no qualms about wanting to completely destroy theirs, the hypocrisy is strong with this one.

So i level my Battle class to 50, battle my way through a hundred farm runs so i can buy a moldy hat that i then have to pay ridiculous sums of Gil to randoms on the Market Boards in order to get the materials needed to have someone else charge me more gil for the service of crafting my item.

Instead of doing the dungeons, and buying my gear with the resulting currency.

Yeah, that makes total sense.

Give crafters some recipes for gear that is on par with Darklight/Relics, while keeping the current Tome system intact and then if someone works out a way to get the required materials more quickly for the crafters versions, the Tome dungeons suddenly go dead because the more efficient path is to buy the mats and have it made ....

What you want is to swing the pendulum in the complete opposite direction.

Give crafters the recipes for ilvl 70 gears. Hell, give them the ability to MAKE the Darklight gear. I have no problem with that. But you'd better damn well make sure the requirements to make it are just as time consuming as running AK/CM/TP/WP/AV/DD/SV for Tomes. An Alternative to the current system, NOT a replacement is the balance we need.

[Lotarion]

What you don't understand is that you could sell more dungeon materials then you need and make profit. Then you could use that money to buy (or craft) the gear. Easy. More dungeon runs = more money from crafters. Crafters should be required to gear up DoW/DoM and DoW/DoM should be required to get mats for crafters. If anyone is self sufficient then there is no real economy.

[Jinko]

Give crafters the recipes for ilvl 70 gears. Hell, give them the ability to MAKE the Darklight gear. I have no problem with that. But you'd better damn well make sure the requirements to make it are just as time consuming as running AK/CM/TP/WP/AV/DD/SV for Tomes. An Alternative to the current system, NOT a replacement is the balance we need.

You do realise that we can already make ilvl 70 gear, except it takes 4-5 times the tomes to make than a standard DL set. (certainly not fair at all)

Besides if you want to forgo crafting, then thats fine, but if you want the best armour you should have to pay for it to be crafted IMO, you as a battle class could farm the items in the dungeons and make money that way, so you could then later afford said gear.

But meh as long as you are ok, that's all that matters right.

As I said previously I don't want to see all dungeon gear removed that would be stupid, but right now there is far too much emphasis on dungeon and quests gear and crafting and gathering are nothing more than a hobby.

[Aicasia]

Besides if you want to forgo crafting, then thats fine, but if you want the best armour you should have to pay for it to be crafted IMO, you as a battle class could farm the items in the dungeons and make money that way, so you could then later afford said gear.

All they need to do is make the crafted gear cost less material-wise. There is no reason the "best" gear should be from crafting, and if it is it should be untradeable, much like Primal Mooncloth or the other tailoring mastery sets in TBC. The i70 crafted gear is already better than darklight, it just costs way too much to make and needs to be brought down to the same amount of time and effort it would take to get darklight. I can sympathize, but that idea is horrible unless its automatically bound to you and can't be sold, it would just make crafters have too much hold otherwise.

[rabbitzero]

Give crafters the recipes for ilvl 70 gears. Hell, give them the ability to MAKE the Darklight gear. I have no problem with that. But you'd better damn well make sure the requirements to make it are just as time consuming as running AK/CM/TP/WP/AV/DD/SV for Tomes. An Alternative to the current system, NOT a replacement is the balance we need.

This right here. There is no problem with making crafters able to make gear similar to that which drops, but to make it like the OP wants? No freaking way. Bad enough with how it is with relics, people wanting huge amounts for clicking a freaking button. I'd rather wait and level the class myself.

For the other side, how about a thing that you can only get if queue up as a dps in the duty finder, solo, no friends or anything with you, with people who are far undergeared for the instance and have never done it before and don't speak the same languages? Without doing it, you couldn't level up your crafter.

[Aenarion]

So i level my Battle class to 50, battle my way through a hundred farm runs so i can buy a moldy hat that i then have to pay ridiculous sums of Gil to randoms on the Market Boards in order to get the materials needed to have someone else charge me more gil for the service of crafting my item.

Reading comprehension fail much? Or were you just intentionally leaving out the part where you actually GET said moldy hat during your farm runs for you to SELL to crafters?

Instead of doing the dungeons, and buying my gear with the resulting currency.

Yeah, that makes total sense.

If you can stop for a second and get out of the “ME ME ME ME ME” thinking mode, it will.

What you want is to swing the pendulum in the complete opposite direction.

Nope, what I want is a rebalance of the system. YOU are the one who claimed the current system is perfectly fine, and should have even more tome-dungeon and gear. Unlike you, I actually want both aspect of the game to be meaningful and viable, considering I actually do play both.

Give crafters the recipes for ilvl 70 gears. Hell, give them the ability to MAKE the Darklight gear.* I have no problem with that. But you'd better damn well make sure the requirements to make it are just as time consuming as running AK/CM/TP/WP/AV/DD

Eorzea to Sylve, Eorzea to Sylve, there are already ilvl70 crafted gears, just that they can only be bought with tomes(oh the irony), most of the time taking 2X more tomes as their DL equivalent, or up to 7~8x more in the case of accessories.

Seriously, welcome to a month ago.

Bad enough with how it is with relics, people wanting huge amounts for clicking a freaking button. I'd rather wait and level the class myself.

Find some friends? It IS only clicking a button,

For the other side, how about a thing that you can only get if queue up as a dps in the duty finder, solo, no friends or anything with you, with people who are far undergeared for the instance and have never done it before and don't speak the same languages? Without doing it, you couldn't level up your crafter.

for an actual accurate analogy, how about where you level up your battle class, and suddenly discover the rest of the game is nothing but crafting, leaving your battle class utterly pointless? Because that’s where DoH/L is at right now.

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[Kewhi]

as opposed to you, who would rather that DoH/L stay as irrelevant as they are now?



Apparently you don't just want DoH/L to be irrelevant, you want to tie them up, burn them, and stomp them into the ground.

You accuse others of wanting to profit from you and hurt your enjoyment of the game, yet you have no qualms about wanting to completely destroy theirs, the hypocrisy is strong with this one.

My DoH/DoL is doing quite well selling HQ items and materials. Perhaps yours is just broken... may I suggest submitting a ticket?

/endsarcasm

[Jinko]

My DoH/DoL is doing quite well selling HQ items and materials. Perhaps yours is just broken... may I suggest submitting a ticket?

/endsarcasm

What does making money have to do with having meaningful end game for crafters ?