Whats wrong with my fps??? Someone please help!!!

[TruBeast]

It sounds by the way of the parts described, as well as the "12GB" of RAM which I've really only seen from big box stores like best buy. Also your APU processor. Is there a model number or can you tell us more about it? It is possible to upgrade big box PCs, it might just be a little non standard due to manufacturer standards, processes, and proprietary parts.

Ok, so I have opened up the PC and it is running a MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 motherboard (http://au.msi.com/product/mb/FM2-A75MA-E35.html) ... hope this helps... If you need more info please let me know.

Really appreciate the help by the way guys...

[Radunas]

Micro ATX format.. you may not be able to stick a huge/long (that's what she said, hurr hurr) video card in there. Make sure and check the dimensons from the back to the front of the case before you purchase anything. You can check the newegg site for specs and reviews from consumers that have purchased just the motherboard. Fortunately, they are mostly positive reviews aside from the DoA's (dead on arrival). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130662

I would say there is a good possibility you can swap your power supply out for a more high performance/higher wattage to support your new video card, which will hopefully fit in your case.

edit: also that was the model # of your Mobo, which does help but I was speaking of the 'model' of your PC, like is it a Dell, lenovo, asus, acer anything like that? Or was it custom built?

[TruBeast]

edit: also that was the model # of your Mobo, which does help but I was speaking of the 'model' of your PC, like is it a Dell, lenovo, asus, acer anything like that? Or was it custom built?

The PC is a Pryon - they only make PC's for Harvey Norman and you can ask them to make you custom builds ... model number is PRY-A10-6801W (http://www.harveynorman.com.au/pryon...w-desktop.html)

I would say there is a good possibility you can swap your power supply out for a more high performance/higher wattage to support your new video card, which will hopefully fit in your case.

At the moment it is running a power supply with 400w DC Output model#: FSP400-60EPN(80) (FSP Group Inc) do you think I will need bigger?

Micro ATX format.. you may not be able to stick a huge/long (that's what she said, hurr hurr) video card in there. Make sure and check the dimensons from the back to the front of the case before you purchase anything.

Thanks for the advice! The case itself isnt a mico case... I'm not sure how big these cards get, but it looks like there is plenty of room behind my current GC... only thing it looks like it might have to compete with is wires...

So - assuming you have enough info - what would you recommend?? :-)

[Gonzothegreat198]

At the moment it is running a power supply with 400w DC Output model#: FSP400-60EPN(80) (FSP Group Inc) do you think I will need bigger?

You are most definitly going to need bigger. IIRC you will need atleast a 600w for single GPU and a 800W for SLI if you ever plan on it.

[KisaiTenshi]

You are most definitly going to need bigger. IIRC you will need atleast a 600w for single GPU and a 800W for SLI if you ever plan on it.

If you're going for SLI, just buy the largest PSU you can get. I went from 750w to 1000w, even though I only use a single mid-range card. You're not wasting money or energy as long as it's a 80+ gold rating. The stuff that comes in HP's and Dell's are extremely cheap and usually noisy underpowered things that die if you try to put any video card or cpu more powerful in it than what came with.

You can't just go solely by the memory. The memory tbqh is pretty worthless as a stat to consider when comparing two different models. Now if you are comparing a 2GB 670 and a 4GB 670, then yes it does make a difference, but when its two different models, you need to compare the Shaders, GFLOPs, Pixel Rate etc.

And it is the GTX, i don't even think the use GT past the 630, but i may be wrong. You always want to look for the GTX. (for the most part)

It's a known fact that Video Card manufactures have been purposely putting more ram on cheaper parts because RAM is currently cheap AND people don't pay attention. On the CPU side, more RAM is always better, but beyond a certain point you don't get greatly diminished returns. On the GPU side, different values of parts have 1/4 or 1/2 the memory bus as their top tier model, so a cheap part with 4GB and an expensive part with 4GB, the cheap part will still be 25% as slow just due to the bandwidth bottleneck.

What you'll usually see is that nVidia and AMD have several price points, of which the top part is usually 600$, and a PSU will not have adequete power to run two of them. My configuration with the PSU calculator says 400w is sufficient. If I switch to the top end AMD video part, now it's 700w.

[TruBeast]

Thanks KisaiTenshi, good info to know! how much larger (physically in dimension) in general would a 1000w be from a 800w?

[Gonzothegreat198]

If you're going for SLI, just buy the largest PSU you can get. I went from 750w to 1000w, even though I only use a single mid-range card. You're not wasting money or energy as long as it's a 80+ gold rating. The stuff that comes in HP's and Dell's are extremely cheap and usually noisy underpowered things that die if you try to put any video card or cpu more powerful in it than what came with.

May be not wasting power, but definitely money if you go with a 1000w with his setup. The only way he would need a 1000w power suppy, is if he was planning on running dual titans in SLI or had enough peripherals to need an amp boost, and thats at peak power which you almost never run into. He's going to need at max an 800w -850w supply. The worst advice you can give is to tell someone to just go and get the largest psu available. You should always tailor the psu to fit the system with a bit of headroom for an upgrade. Remember, he's probably not going to run SLI or overclock his CPU, which means you need to look at a normal clock CPU with a normal PC MB and a single Video card. Even running a single Titan he doesn't need the 1000w PSU, even if it's 80+Platinum. It's still going to be more watts then he's ever going to need. Now if he plans on running that 670 SLI or adding a crapton more peripherals then yah, maybe go with the 1000w, but remember bigger isn't always better.

[Gonzothegreat198]

I would definitely go no lower than a 650ti Boost and if its in your budget just go straight to the 660. I'm planning on getting the 670 2GB card when I upgrade my entire PC, but that'll be in january when I get 3 pays, plus holiday and more than likely my tax return as well.


As for the power supply I would use this PSU Calc to give you a general idea of how big of a PSU you will need

[TruBeast]

I would definitely go no lower than a 650ti Boost and if its in your budget just go straight to the 660.

Thanks Gonzothegreat... so just to clarify (now that I know 1 letter can make all the difference)- your talking about a GSX660 right?

I'm planning on getting the 670 2GB card when I upgrade my entire PC, but that'll be in january when I get 3 pays, plus holiday and more than likely my tax return as well.

See this is the part that got me - My current GC is 4Gb... so I immediately assumed it would be better than the 2Gb based on that... Still not quite sure how this works...

[Gonzothegreat198]

Thanks Gonzothegreat... so just to clarify (now that I know 1 letter can make all the difference)- your talking about a GSX660 right?


See this is the part that got me - My current GC is 4Gb... so I immediately assumed it would be better than the 2Gb based on that... Still not quite sure how this works...

You can't just go solely by the memory. The memory tbqh is pretty worthless as a stat to consider when comparing two different models. Now if you are comparing a 2GB 670 and a 4GB 670, then yes it does make a difference, but when its two different models, you need to compare the Shaders, GFLOPs, Pixel Rate etc.

And it is the GTX, i don't even think the use GT past the 630, but i may be wrong. You always want to look for the GTX. (for the most part)