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    Annah's Avatar
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    Annah Gynnterais
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    Brynhildr
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    White Mage Lv 80

    This is't a common occurence is it?

    Ive ran three dungeons today. And two of the dungeons I had two different Black Mages and the third one a tank...all with the same issue.

    Now, I could care less about someone having to have the best equipment ever to get into a dungeon. Matter of fact, as a WHM, I find it more challenging having to pick up the slack in heals because of poor agro/dps tactics etc....its just more fun.

    Both of the black mages had utterly no idea what to do...at lvl 37. All had lvl 13-24 armor (white)

    I was curious about it and asked if they ran dungeons before Then the tank and two of the black mages told me they honestly had no idea what to really do because the tank spams his attacks when doing fates and I guess black mages has some kind of ice AOE they can spam in fates.

    They told me they pretty much only do fates and when they want to learn the real mechanics of the game they do dungeons. Which is ok at this level but I hope they figure this out before they hit HMs.
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    Rinoa Heartily
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    I did a low level dungeon to help my brother and the tank and the dps had no idea what to do either, so I just explained them and it went better after that.
    But I also found people that had no idea what to do and wouldn't talk in chat so I don't know how it's gonna be later on for them.
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    Ayaminae Yirien
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    Midgardsormr
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by RinoaHeartilly View Post
    But I also found people that had no idea what to do and wouldn't talk in chat so I don't know how it's gonna be later on for them.
    People also do this at 50 lol
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    Panthan Fairheart
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    Adamantoise
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Obysuca View Post
    People also do this at 50 lol
    This is true but I dont think its funny =(
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    You dont like the way I do my job? I dont give a damn what you like, any of you.
    If you are still alive and lance slinging a few years down the road,
    and lucky enough to watch your family grow as you honor your oath.
    Then you'll understand..
    But getting old in my guild is a privilege.
    We die so innocents dont, its that simple.
    Once you pick up the lance, the life you lived stops being your own.

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    Plushiee Porschie
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    Tonberry
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Panthan View Post
    This is true but I dont think its funny =(
    I think it's hilarious. Especially when you see a tank pull with Provoke. Yay +1 enmity!
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    Zakalwe's Avatar
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    Lapsed Pacifist
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    Adamantoise
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    Botanist Lv 51
    Quote Originally Posted by antiviolence View Post
    I think it's hilarious. Especially when you see a tank pull with Provoke. Yay +1 enmity!
    I used to also scoff at tanks who thought Provoke was a good starter. But there actually are a few circumstances where it makes sense.

    Remember Provoke has a much longer range than Shield Lob. On occasion it will be dangerous for the tank to get within Shield Lob range for the pull. Therefore, a Provoke *followed* by a SL once the mob gets closer might make good sense, as much as I hate burning the precious Provoke cooldown unless it is truly necessary.
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    Player ReiszRie's Avatar
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    Reisz Rie
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by antiviolence View Post
    I think it's hilarious. Especially when you see a tank pull with Provoke. Yay +1 enmity!
    It is easy to criticize others but hard to reflect on yourself.

    Provoke has the range that Shield Lob/Tomahawk doesn't.
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    Player Riv's Avatar
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    N'aivir Alexaire
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    Hyperion
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    Lancer Lv 70
    welcome to fate noobs.
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    Aoshi Rasetsu
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    Hyperion
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    Lancer Lv 60
    It's hard not to blanket-label the issue, but this (seemingly) stems from the FATE party crew, where it matters not what your gear is rated at, if you or your team are there, you get exp. They level up pretty fast, skipping the quests and actually playing their class/job, so when it comes time for a dungeon or primal, they have n idea what to do. And they never even think about gear. If they did, no one would register for the DF at level 50 with level 18 accessories (I have seen it!). The most we can do is educate, and hopefully it will spread.

    I can see where they are coming from, since FATE exp is attractive, for sure. But to come into a dungeon for the purposes of learning is a bit skewed. Sure, everyone learns there, and everyone has a first time. But when you've others depending on your performance (and in turn your performance depending on your gear, or lack thereof) then it's time to sit back and take it all in. Maybe personal quests and leves are better for that.
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    Last edited by Aoshi1; 09-25-2013 at 12:10 PM.

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    Player
    Steeled's Avatar
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    Conchobar Pridwen
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    Ultros
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Blizzard 2. Just got it on my baby 12 thm (swiftcast, go!). The spell has no cooldown and is virtually free to cast because it triggers huge MP regen.

    In a non-boss fate, sadly, all a blm should be doing is casting Blizzard 2.

    And that's everything that's wrong with fates.
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