Players connot join the party while you are engaged in combat

[Duelle]

that was my original suggestion. it would not add new players. it would just allow the players that started a fight to be allowed back in the fight. not got from ok we have a tough 3 man nm fight going on to the oh it cannot be done without the healer.

by having the restriction it leads to an hour of timesink which is what they continue to complain about it timesinks for no reason. since you cannot defeat the mob without the member and cannot get them back in the original party you watch the mob despawn then have to sit and wait for it to spawn again.

I disagree on the allowing role swapping on the fly. You have to be conscious of how you jump into the fray, and how you set up your characters. Anything more than that makes things needlessly complicated and destroys any semblance of character identity (in before "LOL RP"). I'd worry more about fixing the DC issues instead of changing the system to work around them.

I definitely agree on the party spot taken by a member that DCs should be reserved for that person if they DC, and after a span of time (maybe 10 minutes?) the game auto-kicks them if the party leader already has not. Leadership would get auto-passed to the next member in the party if the leader DCs.

[Elkwood]

That's a really rude thing to say. You were level 10 once, don't be a jerk.

Also what Kita said is a bit naive. @Kita, NM fights take about 30 minutes give or take, and if someone d/cs in that time, especially in the smaller parties we have now, you would be lucky to even defeat that NM to even reinvite that person. It is an issue. People that originally engaged the NM are locked out of their battle and their team mates are out their role/contribution to the fight. Not all fights are just those 1 minute leve mobs or monsters just outside of cities.


If they just had a way that if you d/ced while in a party, when you log back on your name is still on that party roster list. If they have the mob engaged or not shouldn't matter, you would be in the party and thus be able to participate in battle. That's not adding players, that's not removing players. I think this is a doable and fair idea.

Eldana it may be Rude but Kita has a notorious rep based on the fact he/she has 2500+ posts before they even picked up the game. 90% of all topics he/she comments on turns into flames based on comments he/she makes due to lack of experience/comparing everything to how it was done in XI, so until that rep has subsided based on merit and experience no offense they will continue.

[Eldaena]

Eldana it may be Rude but Kita has a notorious rep based on the fact he/she has 2500+ posts before they even picked up the game. 90% of all topics he/she comments on turns into flames based on comments he/she makes due to lack of experience/comparing everything to how it was done in XI, so until that rep has subsided based on merit and experience no offense they will continue.

Regardless of any of this, two wrongs do not make things right. Be respectable if you want people to respect you. And, although they may be known for some negative things, I have seen Kita make points that do make some sense in the past. As I said, their comment was naive, but you are not in any right to try to belittle them because of their rank.

[Ilean]

I like it how it is. Stop weasel tactics like party member swapping, etc. As long as they handle disconnects I am happy with it.

[Shiyo]

Kiting is extremely fun, takes a ton of skill, and separated a bad mage from a good mage. It was amazing to watch a good mage kite something, and kiting something as a mage was extremely fun to do. Taking away that is just..stupid.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Kiting is extremely fun, takes a ton of skill, and separated a bad mage from a good mage. It was amazing to watch a good mage kite something, and kiting something as a mage was extremely fun to do. Taking away that is just..stupid.

umm no it don't take skill to run like a idiot while casting bimding spells. And it was used tons for mpk, we are better off w/o it.

Also alot of ppl in ffxi didn't know or care to use the

/pcmd add "name"

command pl just waited till the mob was dead before inviting people.

[Physic]

Kiting is extremely fun, takes a ton of skill, and separated a bad mage from a good mage. It was amazing to watch a good mage kite something, and kiting something as a mage was extremely fun to do. Taking away that is just..stupid.

kiting maybe fun to some, but why should you be able to avoid every single monster attack at the same time giving damage.
Other problem is kiting becomes not just a personal thing, but a way of life, for the game. It was a long time before people fought kirin.
If you want a game with kiting tactics, it should be tactics, not automatic win if you can put bio on a monster.
This essentially means monsters should have a fighting chance from range, which is actually accurate right now. The advantage you get from ranged attacks, is that they arent usually tp attacks, they are generally slower, and they are usually magical.

I do think some monsters need more range before they quit on you, to make kiting, and running away more difficult, but mpk is a real issue, and really if an animal knows he cant keep up with another hes usually going to stop trying.

On topic, being able to invite people mid combat would be nice, but once its there people abuse it, and you really can just stop after one fight and invite them, its not that bad a tax, disconnects could use a special solution, like on bosses for example it could suck badly, but if they do away with claiming entirely, like they mentioned somewhere, i guess that will be a non issue, they ll just lose some exp from the monster.

[Peregrine]

Kiting is for weak teams who think they're smrt.
Leave them without their hate resets and thief swaps. See if they can win legitimately.

Leave every feature as-is, or watch the player base beg and scrap for the cheapest possible tactics.

When the going gets tough, the mmo player...chickenwusses and skirts it.

[Shiyo]

Kiting wasn't an "automatic win", that's why it took skill. A good kiter also added in casted nukes and other debuffs/dots while kiting to speed it up.

[Peregrine]

Kiting wasn't an "automatic win", that's why it took skill.

No. Kiting was easy, which is why you won with it.
Kirin should have always wiped all of you. You clearly weren't good enough to beat it legitimately.

Now if there's a Kirin, you can't chickenwuss it to death. Hopefully.