I'm done with Titan.

[Yoko_Kurama]

As I once said in the past, the problem isn't just the community, the problem is that the mechanics in the game don't cause the community to be fully mature in the game by the time they are max level. There should be concrete mechanics in which if you don't know what you are doing or how to gear yourself you shouldn't even be capable of finishing the storyline much less enter the end game arena..

[Orophin]

I did this fight for the first time last night, and I couldn't imagine trying this in a DF group. This fight is probably the first real gear check I've encountered. DPS was not an issue for my group, but we had one member that had less than 3k health (a healer no less) and I think that was one of the biggest detriments to our success.

Apart from that, like most of the fights in the game it is heavily scripted and it's just a matter of knowing when to do what. For the plume ability you almost have to anticipate when it's coming and move when you "feel" it's going to hit as there's hardly any room for error to get out of it in time.

I was a bit hesitant in wanting to get full DL, but just to have that extra bit of HP for that fight is so important.

[Varok89]

Trying to complete Titan Hard through the duty finder is equivalent to punching yourself in the face repeatedly, I don't know why anyone would want to do it.

Join an FC where you can get to know a group of like-minded people that can learn and complete the fight together with you. That's how I got my Titan kill.

[Cingen]

Why even use DF for titan? Lol by 50 u should be in a FC with people who you have played with or have made friends you can cout on. Why continue to pug it if you have already realized pugn this fight does not work? Lol they even said in an interiew before that th design is to have a group or friends or an FC to accomplish end game content. Try it.

Thing is, Titan isn't exactly endgame.. If he was he wouldn't be in Duty Finder. He really isn't THAT hard, the lag is what makes him hard. Not the actual mechanics

[Babydoll]

I got the hang of Titan after about 3 tries. It's really not that hard. The one thing though that needs to be fixed is that .3 second server delay stuff.

[olober]

Well, I think if encounter is in DF, then you should be able to complete it with random people. Beside, Titan is not an endgame content, because I can't see there Bahamut coil.

[AdvancedWind]

I got the hang of Titan after about 3 tries. It's really not that hard. The one thing though that needs to be fixed is that .3 second server delay stuff.

Titan isn't that hard on an individual level, but is hard on a group level. It's the first fight where you are truly screwed if a single player fails to do his role and / or evade things. Excluding groups already on farm mode that can keep going with just 5~6 players, if someone (anyone, except maybe the extra tank DF throws on you) dies and Titan has 10%+ life, it's almost surely a wipe.

For me, this is the "frustrating" part of it, specially since at this point I evade 99% of what he throws at me, but still can't beat him.

[BlaiseArath]

Expected response A

Actually I'm in the 10%, I can play a job if I'm forced into doing it. For instance I haven't played SCH but I've unlocked it, So I'm currently avoiding doing anything important on it till I can learn a good control set up and so forth. I'm still in AF armor and I.lv 55 junk as well for my gear. so when my Linkshell asks for people for Titan, I decline until i can actually help them. so you come off the soapbox for a second and try to understand I'm not trying to attack any one person, But in general my stats are most of the MMO community. Theres the bad who will be bad, the good who will be good, and the middle player who can and will learn their job if forced into situations more often, the ones who are willing to learn but need to be taught more so than others.

But regardless, theres a difference between being able to gear yourself up and plain being stupid and ignoring any kind of advice. If you read my post, I mean really read it, which you didn't, don't lie to me, because at the very bottom, the last point in the post I did try to post a possible solution to the problem. Make Dungeons more appealing. These are the places you learn how to play your job the most throughout the game. places like Qarn teach positioning very well and are quite difficult, but most people overlook them.

So yes, Most people who play any MMO are by most standards pretty bad. Rather it be the Elitist Type of bad, or the just plain "Don't care to try/understand their jobs" bad, or so forth, a lot of players are bad, not all, but I'd say most, and a good portion not to their own fault. I'm bad at SCH and i admit it. But do I condemn these bads? No, I try not to prejudge anyone either. If I'm in a dungeon with someone who's playing poorly, I offer advice, in a friendly manner... Its just most of the time I'm met with responses similar to use. Over defensive, high horse, insulting, calling of elitism, etc.

I haven't actually gone off or harassed someone for being less geared since my early FFXI days, its pointless... Everyone was gimp at one point. So far the worst thing I've done is left a dungeon because the WHM was simply not capable of healing the party and we wiped to the same boss 4 times. I never them they were bad, I did mention Medica would be a better solution than Cure II when multiple people are dying... But I try to avoid snapping.

But one point without fail cannot be argued, In order to improve yourself in anyway, you have to want to do so, and most folk don't want too in an MMO, rather it be because they have real life things and use FFXIV to relax and talk to friends, or other reasons. I may not like it when it effects me, But I'll not condemn them for it.

nor should you condemn me for my opinion of the situation, and possible you have seen for yourself that in this situation, you are acting far more "elitist" and worthy of the term "Circkle jerk" than I.

[roohan]

Somehow this topic reminds me on FFXI. The last days I spent in FFXI leveling got too easy and noone cared about proper gear anymore. In the old days this wasn't possible, Chains of Promethia missions were not easy and you were forced to get yourself proper equipment. But even that got eliminated in FFXI. I see the same trend in FFXIV. People who have inproper gear for their level are those people who would give up in the game if leveling wasn't that easy. So you wouldn't see them alot in endgame. The way to maximum level is like a filter if the way is challenging. FFXI totally lost it's charm for me when everything ended up with "we made that easy for you". But nevertheless I think the duty finder wasn't intended for endgame content. It's still a MMO, so I think finding a linkshell and doing things together is your best bet. Difficult Missions in FFXI were also difficult with random people. FATEs are no problem, random people for difficult content is a problem.

[Ryios]

9 out of 10 people that fail on titan are on ps3.