I'm done with Titan.

[BlaiseArath]

Expected response A

Actually I'm in the 10%, I can play a job if I'm forced into doing it. For instance I haven't played SCH but I've unlocked it, So I'm currently avoiding doing anything important on it till I can learn a good control set up and so forth. I'm still in AF armor and I.lv 55 junk as well for my gear. so when my Linkshell asks for people for Titan, I decline until i can actually help them. so you come off the soapbox for a second and try to understand I'm not trying to attack any one person, But in general my stats are most of the MMO community. Theres the bad who will be bad, the good who will be good, and the middle player who can and will learn their job if forced into situations more often, the ones who are willing to learn but need to be taught more so than others.

But regardless, theres a difference between being able to gear yourself up and plain being stupid and ignoring any kind of advice. If you read my post, I mean really read it, which you didn't, don't lie to me, because at the very bottom, the last point in the post I did try to post a possible solution to the problem. Make Dungeons more appealing. These are the places you learn how to play your job the most throughout the game. places like Qarn teach positioning very well and are quite difficult, but most people overlook them.

So yes, Most people who play any MMO are by most standards pretty bad. Rather it be the Elitist Type of bad, or the just plain "Don't care to try/understand their jobs" bad, or so forth, a lot of players are bad, not all, but I'd say most, and a good portion not to their own fault. I'm bad at SCH and i admit it. But do I condemn these bads? No, I try not to prejudge anyone either. If I'm in a dungeon with someone who's playing poorly, I offer advice, in a friendly manner... Its just most of the time I'm met with responses similar to use. Over defensive, high horse, insulting, calling of elitism, etc.

I haven't actually gone off or harassed someone for being less geared since my early FFXI days, its pointless... Everyone was gimp at one point. So far the worst thing I've done is left a dungeon because the WHM was simply not capable of healing the party and we wiped to the same boss 4 times. I never them they were bad, I did mention Medica would be a better solution than Cure II when multiple people are dying... But I try to avoid snapping.

But one point without fail cannot be argued, In order to improve yourself in anyway, you have to want to do so, and most folk don't want too in an MMO, rather it be because they have real life things and use FFXIV to relax and talk to friends, or other reasons. I may not like it when it effects me, But I'll not condemn them for it.

nor should you condemn me for my opinion of the situation, and possible you have seen for yourself that in this situation, you are acting far more "elitist" and worthy of the term "Circkle jerk" than I.

[roohan]

Somehow this topic reminds me on FFXI. The last days I spent in FFXI leveling got too easy and noone cared about proper gear anymore. In the old days this wasn't possible, Chains of Promethia missions were not easy and you were forced to get yourself proper equipment. But even that got eliminated in FFXI. I see the same trend in FFXIV. People who have inproper gear for their level are those people who would give up in the game if leveling wasn't that easy. So you wouldn't see them alot in endgame. The way to maximum level is like a filter if the way is challenging. FFXI totally lost it's charm for me when everything ended up with "we made that easy for you". But nevertheless I think the duty finder wasn't intended for endgame content. It's still a MMO, so I think finding a linkshell and doing things together is your best bet. Difficult Missions in FFXI were also difficult with random people. FATEs are no problem, random people for difficult content is a problem.

[Jynxii]

I'm bad at SCH and i admit it. But do I condemn these bads? No, I try not to prejudge anyone either. If I'm in a dungeon with someone who's playing poorly, I offer advice, in a friendly manner... Its just most of the time I'm met with responses similar to use. Over defensive, high horse, insulting, calling of elitism, etc.

I just though I'd highlight this point. To make things easier, I'll just refer to the two 'groups' as the 'haves' and 'have nots'. You can apply this to clearing Titan, or being 'good' at your class or whatever, it doesn't really matter. The important part is that, whether you like it or not, there are two very different groups with a lot of variability in both.

Yes, there are definitely 'haves' that are complete douchebags with poor social skills that will get up someone for the smallest mistake, however there are also those with enough knowledge and social experience to realise people won't get better by shouting at them. Adversely, there are 'have nots' that are humble and take advice on and actually improve, then you have 'have nots' that are as the above quote points out; overly defense, rude and think their shit doesn't stink (delusional have nots? same traits could be applied to delusional haves).

Ultimately it is about attitude. Most Titan threads are "OMG this is bollocks, Titan is IMPOSSIBLE, game is broken" with the occasional "There is nothing I can do about it; anyone that has beaten Titan is ignorant/elitist". Even with this instant negative grounding for the thread, some of these so called 'elitist' attempt to offer advice (generally not in the friendliest manner since the thread is already grounded in negatively/set up for an argument) and is often ignored. Of course you have your players that come in with "Learn2Play", but if you worked in a store and someone came in carrying on about how cooking instant noodles is bullcrap and impossible because they can't do it, then when you told them how, they spat it back in your face and called you an elitist, how would you react? What happens when this happens over and over again? Eventually you're conditioned to responding with 'you're bad, learn2instantnoodle', because even if there is a chance the response is different, based on past experience it is going to be the same.

I personally haven't seen a thread that is legitamately asking for advice for Titan (or otherwise) where the OP actually gives detailed information about what is going wrong, asking how they can fix it, and actually taking on advice. There was one thread where someone gave a pretty detailed scenario, however it was laden (and even stated) with undertones of "this is impossible to avoid, it is all RNG whether you live or die", and even after been given advice on how to avoid/improve the scenario, they completely ignored it, and repeated the scenario as a reason 'why' the fight was impossible and RNG based.

TL;DR: There are poor attitudes on both sides, and they feed off of each other. Generally speaking, the 'have nots' are no more victims than the 'haves' are, unless you want to class them as being victims to their own attitudes, and thus the responses they bring on themselves in turn. The stereotype, or human belief that those with less are the victims, and those successful or with more are the bad guys has no place in an MMO. The 'haves' didn't get there by exploiting or using the time/labour of others, they got there through hard work and dedication (and maybe a bit of luck).

Edit: Err.. that ended up being longer than I expected. If you actually read the entire post, I commend you.