Calculated optimal Myth spending for BRDs

[Pellegri]

One other factor, which I don't think many people have yet discussed is hit cap. When hit is involved you cannot blindly value accuracy as a valuable stat. Let me give a good example of this, you are hit capped, you can drop 1 Determination, for 50 accuracy, would you do it?

Shh you're bringing logic into the argument, some here don't like logic. Haven't been to this thread in a while and yet I still see SS discussion, guess people still don't seem to realize that on those alagan/myth pieces that have all that SS they also almost all have accuracy. Keep talking up SS all you want people at the end of the day you'll find out that will all SS gear whether it be ilvl 90 or not you'll be well over(30+) the accuracy cap, so ask yourselves this for a second, if a piece of gear has 2 secondary stats on it that are good for me(det/crit or even the few pieces with SS on them) and many pieces of gear have SS and acc on them where half the stats are already wasted itemization and the other half is already sub par, which is the better choice whether SS has any worth or not?

[Spider-Dan]

The original formula appears to be what BRDs would use if they did not care at all about River of Blood... which is a pretty serious undervaluation of CRT.

[EasymodeX]

Which is why my stat weights are much better. Latest revision:

WD 7.849
DEX 1.000
DET 0.228
CRT 0.222
SS 0.131

[AideLee]

lol... fun reading all the fights... Bottom Line: Get whatever you wanna get first. It is your character.

I already have the chest. I will progress to pants and fill out rest of the body pieces and will get weapon probably last.

[Thotor]

Unless a fight is shorter than 3-4 minute (without SS, it will take 4 minute to run out of TP), SS is a not a dps gain because TP has a fixed regen rate.
So until TP is changed, there is no point in having SS. I would rate SS as 0 for stat weight.

If a piece has SS, than so be it but I would never take any other stat loss for SS.

[Spider-Dan]

Which is why my stat weights are much better. Latest revision:

WD 7.849
DEX 1.000
DET 0.228
CRT 0.222
SS 0.131

How do you arrive at 0.222 for CRT? Not sure CRT should be valued below DTR at all for BRD.

[Lisotte]

To get this derailed thread a bit more back on topic... everyone and their cousin likes the +1 bow glow, it got me to make that my first myth buy even though I knew the ring or pants were better.

[Bardo]

To get this derailed thread a bit more back on topic... everyone and their cousin likes the +1 bow glow, it got me to make that my first myth buy even though I knew the ring or pants were better.

I'm not even sure we can confidently say those pieces are better.
Certainly not from a simplistic auto attack damage formula.

Limit break damage is based on an average of everyone in the group's weapon ilvl. This potential extra damage is ignored in this thread's comparison.
Which food can you eat and remain at accuracy caps if you upgrade one piece over another?
How much Vit you need to survive certain phases of intense aoe damage, and would extra Vit on a piece you're upgrading matter?
Crit carries extra weight due to River of Blood procs (again, not modeled in this comparison).
There are SO many more mechanics to consider than auto attack damage when considering which piece is "better".

What we'd need is a full 3+ minute damage model that includes all the intricate mechanics such as food, river of blood procs, tp starvation if you're having to keep rain of death up, current gear, etc... that can actually be verified in-game against a few gear levels (as everyone knows sometimes tooltips don't match up with the formulas actually being applied behind the scenes).
To my knowledge, no-one has taken it this far yet.

So the best we can do for now is approximate.
But when you compare two approximates, you can only draw conclusions if the approximates show a notable variance, such as what we see with bracer.

[EasymodeX]

How do you arrive at 0.222 for CRT? Not sure CRT should be valued below DTR at all for BRD.

I took Merix's base stats, updated them a few times to match other things I was doing (comparing similar stats between DRG/MNK/BRD), used a reasonably robust simple model that includes a full BRD rotation including all skills and modifiers (except Dragoon's Disembowel) to estimate DPS, and then alternatively added 10 Dex, 10 Crit, 10 SS, 10 Det, and 10 Weapon Damage (lol). Divided the results of each stat pump by the Dex result to normalize at a '1.0' value for Dex.

... How else would I do it?

[Yuichi]

To the top, everything op still holds true correct because I have seen many bards with shirt first.