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    Eckoh's Avatar
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    Eckoh Saotome
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    Behemoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    Don't be jealous I can use a spreadsheet.
    nothing special... however it is useless when you do the stat weights wrong which is what you did. For instance you gave weight to skill speed... skill speed has 0 impact until you hit a plateau where it changes the GCD, so unlesss you get some time off the GCD it is 100% useless in terms of stat value. On top of that you cannot get enough skill speed to actually have more then a marginal effect on DPS.
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    Last edited by Eckoh; 09-25-2013 at 06:15 AM.

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    Flanker Flora
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    Thanks for the awesome information, cant wait till engame to put it to use
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    Lunairetic Emx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eckoh View Post
    nothing special... however it is useless when you do the stat weights wrong which is what you did. For instance you gave weight to skill speed... skill speed has 0 impact until you hit a plateau where it changes the GCD, so unlesss you get some time off the GCD it is 100% useless in terms of stat value. On top of that you cannot get enough skill speed to actually have more then a marginal effect on DPS.
    By plateau, you mean ... ... 10?
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    Pellegri Testament
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    Ultros
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    By plateau, you mean ... ... 10?
    In bard land it's different than your dragoon land as far as what amount of skill speed is actually a noticeable difference and better than other secondary stats. That 10 skill speed is .01secs off the gcd which is a dps loss over crit/det/acc until cap, the problem with skill speed for bard gear is that it rarely takes the place of accuracy on an upgrade and you could get the same ilvl piece that has crit/det on it instead which blows away the skill speed. Just because it may be thrown in your face on non monk gear doesn't mean it's good just because it knocks a few insignificant .01secs off the gcd, chances are there's another piece that's much better.
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    Aomame Aomakigami
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    I know I should buy the gloves then the belt first, but I can't spend one more week in the darklight chest. I'd rather blow my brains out. Plus the Myth chest looks amazing on a Miqo'te.
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    Sally Syrup
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    Sargatanas
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    Ninja Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by jcopulos View Post
    I know I should buy the gloves then the belt first, but I can't spend one more week in the darklight chest. I'd rather blow my brains out. Plus the Myth chest looks amazing on a Miqo'te.
    I felt your pain a while ago. Darklight gear is hideous on a bard. I can't wait to replace my boots with Allagan. xD
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    Blooregard's Avatar
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    Blooregard Kazoo
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    Ultros
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luso View Post
    I felt your pain a while ago. Darklight gear is hideous on a bard. I can't wait to replace my boots with Allagan. xD
    Honestly?

    Casters have that hideous hooded cowl, tanks have that ridiculous tin bunny knight....thing, Monks have a goddamned subligar...

    Bards have the best looking DL imo.

    ...Which just happens to still look pretty awful. Still, I was so vehemant about not wearing Monk DL I went the Gryphonskin route. Atleast Bard doesn't have to rock a steel diaper.
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    Sally Syrup
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blooregard View Post
    Honestly?

    Casters have that hideous hooded cowl, tanks have that ridiculous tin bunny knight....thing, Monks have a goddamned subligar...
    Personally I find all the Darklight looks bad. I went for the HQ crafts instead for my casters.
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    That 10 skill speed is .01secs off the gcd which is a dps loss over crit/det/acc until cap, the problem with skill speed for bard gear is that it rarely takes the place of accuracy on an upgrade and you could get the same ilvl piece that has crit/det on it instead
    Wow, really? You mean that the ~0.176 rating for SS versus the ~0.270 rating for CRT means that SS is weaker point-for-point compared to CRT around DL gear base levels?

    That's amazing~!
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    Pellegri Testament
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    Ultros
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    Wow, really? You mean that the ~0.176 rating for SS versus the ~0.270 rating for CRT means that SS is weaker point-for-point compared to CRT around DL gear base levels?

    That's amazing~!
    Hence it is worthless with current itemization on bard gear because the only time SS takes the place of acc is on a single piece of gear, which you will not see a meaningful difference on. How about posting in the dragoon thread over bard thread since you seem to have little input on actual bard gear? Bards do not get the choice of having SS or any other secondary stat on most of their gear because acc is literally on 90% of it(unless you mix and match myth and allagon), dragoons on the other hand get to roll in other secondary stats and are actually able to get a meaningful amount of SS to where they will see a difference(because acc isn't even on half of your gear).
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