The FATE train...

[Porie]

If you don't like fates.... Don't do them. Not everyone has the same schedule like you, I work and have limited time to play at times... Doing fates to grind another class I like is such a nice way to stay in the game. I'm sorry I don't want to spend 1 month trying to level one subclass character. We live in a day and age where we don't have all the time in the world, that why you have options in game to suit everyone's needs.

But simply if you don't like it don't wine.... Just don't do it and let others do what they want to do.

If you're rubber banding I suggest "working" get a better PC or even get a better Internet.... I have not rubber banded once this game.

[Moontide]

Another angle: The more I look at it the more I think that a big part of the core problem lies in the individual mob XP system. As far as I've noticed you get full XP if you tag a monster, and still full XP if you deal enough damage to said monster, also in parties. This heavily favors large-group slaughter mobs who mash down as many weak enemies as possible for maximal XP. Something needs to be done to the group participation XP to actually make beating down tougher enemies a better choice instead. I don't know which way you could actually implement that in a way that'd be both pro-teamplay and making a greater challenge an attractive choice though.

A simple way to deal with mass-participation FATEs would probably be a way that lets the monsters level up while the participant count increases without making the XP rewards greater. That still dodges the issue of how XP is distributed though.

If you don't like fates.... Don't do them.

And, as it stands for leveling speed, intentionally shoot yourself on the foot?

[Elazu]

And, as it stands for leveling speed, intentionally shoot yourself on the foot?

That's SE's fault though. I would love for them to buff dungeon exp to make them viable leveling methods.

[fistantalius]

If you're rubber banding I suggest "working" get a better PC or even get a better Internet.... I have not rubber banded once this game.

I do not have the money like you sir to get me a new or better computer at the drop of every new game. Second I have the best internet speed for DSL in my area. Yes sir I do lag and rubber band in the high Fate areas where everyone is just sitting around on their mounts counting sheep.

[IXZERO]

Come on people, why are you complaining about the FATE's, if you are mad about being to late at the FATE and get no exp for it, then why not join a party? You can shout for a reason...