Warriors - Rerolls

[Rios-Drakoon]

Warriors aggressive and paladins are defensive, they are both tanks, and they are both good.

Bullshit sorry,... yes, Warriors are agressiv, Paladin defensive, both are tanks, yes. but Paladin is way better then Warrior.

[ZealHoss]

It's cute that after reading skipping this entire thread, you still think that's accurate.

Of course i did, there is like 2 real warriors here and a bunch of whiners who most likely suck at playing warrior, i see warriors with no complaints doin it just as good as pld.

Bullshit sorry,... yes, Warriors are agressiv, Paladin defensive, both are tanks, yes. but Paladin is way better then Warrior.

why is it better because you say so? they are both completely different jobs, you cant even compare them other than the fact they are both "tanks", if your expecting all the jobs to be the equivalent to the other, you are playing the wrong game. A warrior can do things better than a paladin and the same goes for paladin. As far as i can see your expecting all the tanks to be the same. Maybe you guys need to unequip the warrior soul because your obviously not ready for it.

[Hachiko]

Maybe you guys need to unequip the warrior soul because your obviously not ready for it.

Says the non-Warrior

There is nothing in the game currently that a Warrior can do that a Paladin can not do better. You don't know what you're talking about. You're not even really at endgame and you honestly know nothing about playing a Warrior.

It's not about expecting the tanks to be the same. It's about expecting them to be roughly equivalent in effectiveness when it comes to their role: Tanking. which they aren't. Not even remotely.

[ZealHoss]

Says the non-Warrior

There is nothing in the game currently that a Warrior can do that a Paladin can not do better. You don't know what you're talking about. You're not even really at endgame and you honestly know nothing about playing a Warrior.

It's not about expecting the tanks to be the same. It's about expecting them to be roughly equivalent in effectiveness when it comes to their role: Tanking. which they aren't. Not even remotely.

I'm not at end game, seriously? you do realize im on BC right? a couple cm runs and i have my relic +1, so im not sure what your talking about not at end game? Secondly i am in the process of leveling warrior to 50. Warriors do more damage and have alot more aoe capability, you will see bosses in the future where a pld and war are best together not a pld and a pld. I dont need another pld with me i would like a warrior. You dont need 2 chicken scratchers running around, a warrior hits a hell of alot harder.

[Kitru]

You dont need 2 chicken scratchers running around, a warrior hits a hell of alot harder.

No, it doesn't.

[Hachiko]

I'm not at end game, seriously? you do realize im on BC right? a couple cm runs and i have my relic +1, so im not sure what your talking about not at end game? Secondly i am in the process of leveling warrior to 50. Warriors do more damage and have alot more aoe capability, you will see bosses in the future where a pld and war are best together not a pld and a pld. I dont need another pld with me i would like a warrior. You dont need 2 chicken scratchers running around, a warrior hits a hell of alot harder.

So you're in BC with Ifrit weapon and white Jewelry? No Relic? Not even garuda weapon? If you can manage with that kind of gear it should set off some obvious bells. No way a WAR would be able to touch Binding Coil with your level of gear. Hell, they probably would have a hard time with titan in that gear.

"AoE capacity" doesn't matter, considering there isn't a single fight where "aoe" threat matters. And even if there ever is one, a PLD will be better able to survive while tanking it - the paltry 100 damage aoe that WAR can contribute for 140 TP isn't enough to matter anyway.

Also you are wrong on the damage. At best a warrior has a slight advantage (~5-10% depending), and at worst is at a disadvantage (while not tanking a PLD will put out more dmg than a WAR, unless Sword Oath is bugged, in which case WAR will again be ahead by ~2-4%).

[ZealHoss]

So you're in BC with Ifrit weapon and white Jewelry? No Relic? Not even garuda weapon? If you can manage with that kind of gear it should set off some obvious bells. No way a WAR would be able to touch Binding Coil with your level of gear. Hell, they probably would have a hard time with titan in that gear.

Jewelry isnt even close to the upgrade the armors give, should be obvious why i did them first. Why the hell do i want a garuda weapon when i already told you im a few hundred phil stones from relic +1?

Your also saying sword oaths bonus of 50 auto attack dmg makes them do more than a warrior?

[Hachiko]

Jewelry isnt even close to the upgrade the armors give, should be obvious why i did them first. Why the hell do i want a garuda weapon when i already told you im a few hundred phil stones from relic +1?

Your also saying sword oaths bonus of 50 auto attack dmg makes them do more than a warrior?

And jewelry is a smaller upgrade, but if you're doing coil, or having success with that level of gear on Titan, again, that is pretty telling as far as balance goes.

And yes, Sword Oath's 50 potency attack is enough to put them past WAR, as long as it's not bugged as some people have claimed.

It's actually pretty obvious. A PLD going all out in sword oath will steal aggro from a WAR in defiance on equal gear levels.

With the content that is out at the moment (being very little) yes i do think warrior is best for adds, and i would rather be tanking with a warrior than another paladin any day. Soon enough warriors will be tanking everything, but they are using FF's job system the warrior will never be a paladin, you will most likely just get a buff to leach skills, and probably cross class rampart from gladiator, unless you already have rampart? Even if you all think you suck there is still paladins around that want you guys around, give yourselves more credit.

So wait with the content out at the moment you think WAR are fairly relegated to tanking adds, despite the fact that there is no content out at the moment in which adds actually need to be tanked?

Even if this made a remote modicum of sense, it would mean WAR is only desirable on fights in which adds are present (presumably not 100%) while PLD is desirable on fights in which a boss is present (presumably 100%).

And no, WAR does not have rampart. The best WAR defensive cooldown is Convalescence. Second best is Featherfoot. Third best is Berserk. Fourth best is Awareness. Our class cooldowns are largely ineffective (bloodbath, foresight), which is part of the problem.

[ChriskoOnAnotherLevel]

Jewelry isnt even close to the upgrade the armors give, should be obvious why i did them first. Why the hell do i want a garuda weapon when i already told you im a few hundred phil stones from relic +1?

Your also saying sword oaths bonus of 50 auto attack dmg makes them do more than a warrior?

In a short summary, he is flat out telling you that you do not know wtf you are talking about, and he would be quite correct.

[Rios-Drakoon]

Of course i did, there is like 2 real warriors here and a bunch of whiners who most likely suck at playing warrior, i see warriors with no complaints doin it just as good as pld. why is it better because you say so? they are both completely different jobs, you cant even compare them other than the fact they are both "tanks", if your expecting all the jobs to be the equivalent to the other, you are playing the wrong game. A warrior can do things better than a paladin and the same goes for paladin. As far as i can see your expecting all the tanks to be the same. Maybe you guys need to unequip the warrior soul because your obviously not ready for it.

So, you say, Warrior is just good wor multiple Add Tank? because thats the only Thing what Warrior can do better then Paladin.
So you say, the only and really only work for Warrior is just to Tank some Adds?

Look at the skills, look what People say here.

SE said, Paladin is a tank who reduce incoming dmg, and Warrior should be who conter the dm with his selfheal.
WAHT selfheal?
Bloodbath 40-100 per hit
Stormspath all 9sec 100-150
IB all 20sec 800 if we use some other CD we can get 1500-2000 but only all 2mins.

Yeah, Paladin and Warrior are diffrent Tank types, but at least they should to the same Job properly¨
After Ifrit HM, by Garuda or Titan HM, do you really think the Healer feels if Warrios use Bloodbath oder Stormspath? NO F... WAY

But the Healer feels your 20%/40%/100% dmg reduction, and slo your 60% more block (block = 20-24% dmg reduction)

In MMORPGs there is no Place for a Class that is just there to Tank Multiple Adds, beside, Paladin can to the same Job also, and Healer have less Problems to heal them then a Warrior.
SE Said, we have 2 Tank Class and 2 Heal Class, both are individuell but can do the same Job.
Yes Warrior can Tank Titan HM and also Coil, but, AND THATS THE MAIN POINT, Paladin is easier to heal. and waht choice makes a Group? they choose the easier way, and that mean Paladin.

I know, you are a Paladinfanboy and like all the other Fanboys out there, you fear taht SE will Buff Warrior, so Group can choose Warrior or Paladin doenst matter.
Right now everyone prefer Paladin becauce ist easier for the Group.