Warriors - Rerolls

[Duelle]

This is where they test the buffs nerfs and content. If warriors are strong in the dev area it's most likely due to them getting buffed. That's hardly a learn to play answer, odds are you never read his full post read maybe 1/4 of it and now are trying to quote it.

Yoshida would have been better served by saying "we're testing some changes to warrior and now they look really strong. Please look forward to 2.1" and it would have prevented this OP and some of the arguments that have broken out.

[Kitru]

LOL this guy's obviously a Derp no paladin can keep hate from a warrior.

Using Sword Oath, no PLD will be able to keep aggro off of a WAR in Defiance, but that's due to the enmity modifiers implicit in the stances. Using Shield Oath, assuming equal gear, a PLD will *easily* be able to outdo a WAR on enmity generation because they get to spam Halone rather than WAR having to splice in Storm's Eye (a WAR *could* manage more threat by just spamming BB, but, at that point, they're dropping their damage to a laughable low level and turning their self-heals, especially Inner Beast, into a complete and utter joke).

Anyone that thinks that WARs are somehow the damage or enmity kings are only exposed to the most idiotic PLDs. Any PLD worth its salt will put out much better numbers ("worth its salt" is predicated upon using Spirits Within and). It's not even theoretical: I've ripped threat off of WARs *numerous* times while playing PLD; I've also done the same on WAR but, if there's a competent PLD that I don't outgear, I'm going to be fighting that PLD the entire time to keep aggro.

I regularly play both PLD and WAR. I know how to play them both *damned* well. PLD *does* generate better enmity. The SE combo *really* eats into your ability to generate. There are a lot of WARs that stick their heads in the sand and forget about that.

[Corkafish]

I'm going to roll Paladin to 50 as well, because while Warrior is great at what it does, it suffers against heavy damage. Warrior is currently built to be a trash/add tank, and I have no problem with that, as I played a similar role on my bear druid in WoW. Our platey facerolled the boss and I tore all of the adds to shreds. If I tried to main-tank hard hitting bosses like Tortos, I required a lot of healing and was prone to sudden death syndrome due to a lack of anti-spike tools, but I held aggro much better on multiple mobs and did more than my share in mowing them down.

As soon as people start overgearing the content, WAR will start to become the preferred class even against raid bosses due to their damage output and higher health pool. Right now, though, PLD is the way to go if you want to clear Coil. As easy as it is to level up and gear alternate jobs, I don't see it as a major issue. Suck up your pride and do what's best for your group. You'll get your chances to play WAR.

[Kryzen]

I agree with Corka except I am going to opposite route as he is. I have my PLD at 50 and am currently gearing him, getting close to full DL. On the side I am leveling a WAR so we can clear previous content quick to help gear the rest of the FC, and its more fun as a WAR. New content, PLD. Farming Content, WAR.

Just how I am doing it.

[Hachiko]

Using Sword Oath, no PLD will be able to keep aggro off of a WAR in Defiance, but that's due to the enmity modifiers implicit in the stances.

This isn't the case. Try it some time. A PLD in sword oath will pull off of you as a WAR, assuming the PLD is spamming Rage of Halone. Shield Oath / Defiance aren't even remotely close to doubling enmity generation.

[Kryzen]

Hachiko is correct, Sword oath generates far more threat then shield oath. It’s not even close between the two. The put it in more of a perspective A full grown man (sword oath) VS a child (Shield Oath) in a Tug-O-War contest. Sword Oath is just going to grab that rope and start walking away dragging shield oath with it.

[LunarEmerald]

There's been testing done. Shield oath gives more enmity.

[Phaus]

With all this whining I can see warriors excelling greatly in the near future, whether they're buffed for PvE or dominate PvP to compensate.
Brb levelling a warrior.

[Kalandros]

For Coil, a Warrior is fine for everything except taking hits from Twintania due to the mechanics of Auto attack + Death Sentence + that other attack I forget the name of.
So really, Warriors are fine for 99% of the tanking to do in the game right now.

Paladins aren't as effective for multi-threat in very time-sensitive fights like the Elevator boss. Much prefer having the Warrior tank all the adds while the Paladin tanks Dreadnoughts.

Thats how we roll however.

We just really know that the Warrior CANNOT tank Twintania - everything else is plenty fine.

[Awake]

I regularly play both PLD and WAR. I know how to play them both *damned* well. PLD *does* generate better enmity. The SE combo *really* eats into your ability to generate. There are a lot of WARs that stick their heads in the sand and forget about that.

A shame we aint on the same server, i would love to see you stealing aggro off me when i am doing 600 BB crits.Cute PLD is cute.