Warriors - Rerolls

[ZealHoss]

So you're in BC with Ifrit weapon and white Jewelry? No Relic? Not even garuda weapon? If you can manage with that kind of gear it should set off some obvious bells. No way a WAR would be able to touch Binding Coil with your level of gear. Hell, they probably would have a hard time with titan in that gear.

Jewelry isnt even close to the upgrade the armors give, should be obvious why i did them first. Why the hell do i want a garuda weapon when i already told you im a few hundred phil stones from relic +1?

Your also saying sword oaths bonus of 50 auto attack dmg makes them do more than a warrior?

[Rios-Drakoon]

Like i said ZealHoss

Do you really think, Warrior is just in the game for Tanking Multiple Adds nothing more?

We Warriors are TANK, and we want to TANK, not just grab Adds because we have Overpower. thats bullshit sorry.


Healer prefers Paladin as MT because ist easier to Keep them alive, thats why SE Need to Buff some abilities from Warrior.

[ZealHoss]

Like i said ZealHoss

Do you really think, Warrior is just in the game for Tanking Multiple Adds nothing more?

We Warriors are TANK, and we want to TANK, not just grab Adds because we have Overpower. thats bullshit sorry.


Healer prefers Paladin as MT because ist easier to Keep them alive, thats why SE Need to Buff some abilities from Warrior.

With the content that is out at the moment (being very little) yes i do think warrior is best for adds, and i would rather be tanking with a warrior than another paladin any day. Soon enough warriors will be tanking everything, but they are using FF's job system the warrior will never be a paladin, you will most likely just get a buff to leach skills, and probably cross class rampart from gladiator, unless you already have rampart? Even if you all think you suck there is still paladins around that want you guys around, give yourselves more credit.

[Hachiko]

Jewelry isnt even close to the upgrade the armors give, should be obvious why i did them first. Why the hell do i want a garuda weapon when i already told you im a few hundred phil stones from relic +1?

Your also saying sword oaths bonus of 50 auto attack dmg makes them do more than a warrior?

And jewelry is a smaller upgrade, but if you're doing coil, or having success with that level of gear on Titan, again, that is pretty telling as far as balance goes.

And yes, Sword Oath's 50 potency attack is enough to put them past WAR, as long as it's not bugged as some people have claimed.

It's actually pretty obvious. A PLD going all out in sword oath will steal aggro from a WAR in defiance on equal gear levels.

With the content that is out at the moment (being very little) yes i do think warrior is best for adds, and i would rather be tanking with a warrior than another paladin any day. Soon enough warriors will be tanking everything, but they are using FF's job system the warrior will never be a paladin, you will most likely just get a buff to leach skills, and probably cross class rampart from gladiator, unless you already have rampart? Even if you all think you suck there is still paladins around that want you guys around, give yourselves more credit.

So wait with the content out at the moment you think WAR are fairly relegated to tanking adds, despite the fact that there is no content out at the moment in which adds actually need to be tanked?

Even if this made a remote modicum of sense, it would mean WAR is only desirable on fights in which adds are present (presumably not 100%) while PLD is desirable on fights in which a boss is present (presumably 100%).

And no, WAR does not have rampart. The best WAR defensive cooldown is Convalescence. Second best is Featherfoot. Third best is Berserk. Fourth best is Awareness. Our class cooldowns are largely ineffective (bloodbath, foresight), which is part of the problem.

[Giantbane]

1. They are clearing all the content available atm.

They *can* clear much of the content available (although there's some question about whether they're actually able to clear the end of bahamut's coil at all).

But that doesn't mean they're necessarily doing as well. If it requires the WAR to have better gear, work harder on using their abilities appropriately AND requires their healers to work harder and play better in order to keep the WAR alive, then I don't think that means they're doing as well. You being in coil with an ifrit weapon and white jewelry is sort of telling. Can a WAR do that?

2. I would much rather have a warrior in my group than another paladin doing no dmg and not tanking, warriors do alot more dmg and can pick up large groups of adds alot easier than i can.

Ignoring whether or not that's true, trying to justify a WAR being better because he's better as makeshift DD seems like a poor justification for a tank class being balanced.

WAR can generate threat on AoE targets better than a PLD as long as they stand relatively still so you can keep them in front of you to spam overpower. Overpower *is* better at generating more threat immediately, but it's not that cut and dry.

1)Overpower has a big wind up, so there's about 1sec between when you hit the button and when the ability comes out. Flash is instant, which is why I often use it to get initial agro on groups in order to set up overpower spam.

2)Switching defiance on/off is not as clean as switching between sword oath/shield oath. Sword/Shield oath is a simple toggle, swap to one and you're immediately ready to go. However, when you switch to defiance, you don't get that extra HP for free. You require healing the instant you switch. You also don't have any wrath stacks, so you need to pop infuriate immediately, which means it's then not available for tanking for another min.

3)WAR is likely to require more healing than the PLD does on the adds. Aside from the PLD's default ability to mitigate dmg, a PLD flash also gets blind so you're probably getting hit less too. So if the adds are at all threatening to the add tank, then the WAR may not be as beneficial because they also have the greater risk of dying.

4)Overpower also eats up *lots* of TP, so the WAR may be TP starved when he goes back to DPS if he needs to overpower spam too much and he will rely on other classes to restore it for him. A PLD can spam flash till OOM and either rely on other classes to restore it *OR* switch to Riot Blade to restore it himself. So the PLD is a lot more self sufficient this way, not to mention off tanking will in no way inhibit his ability to return to the DPS role. Overpower spam might run the WAR out of TP, causing him to potentially take a hit when returning to DPS.

[Rios-Drakoon]

dont compare FFXI with FFXIV, i also played FFXI, and there FFXI was Warrior a full Tank, then Paladin and Ninja came, and Warrior was a full DD, here in FFXIV warrior can never be a full dd, tahts a fact.
so you say Warrior is just fine as halfbacked Tank JUST, and only for tank Adds, nothing more? what bullshit sorry.

in this world no MMORPG can bring up a "Tank Class" ONLY for the reason to tank Adds.

Tank class can Tank everything, just diffrent, like i said, some Tank reduce incoming dmg, other Tanks selfheal himselfs but at the end of the day, all tank should do the same Job equal. but Warrior and Paldin are not equal right now, there is a huge gap between These 2 class

[ChriskoOnAnotherLevel]

Jewelry isnt even close to the upgrade the armors give, should be obvious why i did them first. Why the hell do i want a garuda weapon when i already told you im a few hundred phil stones from relic +1?

Your also saying sword oaths bonus of 50 auto attack dmg makes them do more than a warrior?

In a short summary, he is flat out telling you that you do not know wtf you are talking about, and he would be quite correct.

[Veurr]

I don't play a warrior. But my friend does. I'll say this by way of encouragement. I've killed Titan HM a few times now. Every kill was with a warrior tanking and it wasn't my buddy everytime either.

[Blazn]

OP Yoshi said the devs are strong with them in the development areas. This is where they test the buffs nerfs and content. If warriors are strong in the dev area it's most likely due to them getting buffed. That's hardly a learn to play answer, odds are you never read his full post read maybe 1/4 of it and now are trying to quote it.

[Blazn]

A PLD going all out in sword oath will steal aggro from a WAR in defiance on equal gear levels.

LOL this guy's obviously a Derp no paladin can keep hate from a warrior. I had a paladin argue this with me once, I let him tank a boss in CM down to half health told him to go all out the entire fight and by the time the mob went from 50% to 35% the paladin hat lost aggro and i had a large gap already established according to the aggro meters. Please know the truth before posting next time.