Omnilex +1

[Whippet]

K so omnilex next week and Body AF2 in 3 weeks BLEH

[fanservice]

K so omnilex next week and Body AF2 in 3 weeks BLEH

There's always HQ vanya.

[Whippet]

There's always HQ vanya.

YEah but sadly money is a problem Atm

[fanservice]

YEah but sadly money is a problem Atm

I know that feel.

[FinagleABagel]

K so omnilex next week and Body AF2 in 3 weeks BLEH

I find it very hard to believe that a level 80 -> 90 transition is better than a level 60 -> 90 transition. I personally dislike cowls since you don't need DL cowl to get through Titan HM. If you skip that, then the transition to level 60 to AF2 chest/helm seems like a far bigger upgrade than Relic+1.

If memory serves, Relic+1 is 900 ToMs and the AF2 chest is 825, helm somewhere around 300. Thus, you take an extra week get two level 90's while everyone else will have one level 90 with ilevel 70 gear. Seems like a bad choice to me.

EDIT:

Holy crap, totally wrong numbers - fixed.

[Arale]

I find it very hard to believe that a level 80 -> 90 transition is better than a level 60 -> 90 transition. I personally dislike cowls since you don't need DL cowl to get through Titan HM. If you skip that, then the transition to level 60 to AF2 chest/helm seems like a far bigger upgrade than Relic+1.

If memory serves, Relic+1 is 900 ToMs and the AF2 chest is 825, helm somewhere around 300. Thus, you take an extra week get two level 90's while everyone else will have one level 90 with ilevel 70 gear. Seems like a bad choice to me.

EDIT:

Holy crap, totally wrong numbers - fixed.

Raw stats dont compare to the actual magical damage of a +1 relic. 1 stat in magical damage is, if I remember reading right, 7-10 in ones main stat. This means that the +1 will beat the AF1 Chest unless they're wearing Loyalists Bliaud or something. :P

So on paper it does seem like the body will add more healing, but in reality it usually doesn't.

[FinagleABagel]

Raw stats dont compare to the actual magical damage of a +1 relic. 1 stat in magical damage is, if I remember reading right, 7-10 in ones main stat. This means that the +1 will beat the AF1 Chest unless they're wearing Loyalists Bliaud or something. :P

So on paper it does seem like the body will add more healing, but in reality it usually doesn't.

How is magic damage related to heals anyway? Are people taking into account the difference in Mind and Determination? You can't just look at one number and extrapolate it without controlling for confounding variables.

Let's also not discount defense.

[Snowaeth]

How is magic damage related to heals anyway? Are people taking into account the difference in Mind and Determination? You can't just look at one number and extrapolate it without controlling for confounding variables.

Let's also not discount defense.

Magic dmg is calculated the same for healing as it is for dps.
So 1 MD is about 7mind-ish

The weapon upgrade is pretty much always the best choice for almost any class.

And with Magic Dmg I mean weapon dmg.

[FinagleABagel]

Magic dmg is calculated the same for healing as it is for dps.
So 1 MD is about 7mind-ish

The weapon upgrade is pretty much always the best choice for almost any class.

And with Magic Dmg I mean weapon dmg.

Nope, I just ran the numbers and I disagree. I can get the Argute Gown for 825 ToMs which is a +13 bonus to Mind/Vit along with a nice critical bonus (crit is hugely strong on scholar). That is comparing it to the Strategos Bliaud. I'll sacrifice a fraction of the weapon damage bonus for higher vitality, defense, and crit rate. I can pick up Argute Mortarboard a little more than a week later, which will pickup and exceed the determination gain from Relic+1. It's a total bonus of +11 mind/vit over the DL cowl.

I think Relic+1 makes a lot of sense for many classes, just not for scholars - specifically.

EDIT:

I suppose the drops from coil may make a difference, if it's between DL and AF2. I'll have to review that drop table to make sure I'm not doubling up on drops from turns 1 and 2.

Ugh...I just don't know. It's pretty close either way and it seems like it comes down to what the intermediate options are between DL and AF2.

[Zetonegi]

Wait wait wait, we can do the math on this, we have the technology
http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=200
http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=279

With a base set of Omnilex, Strategos Head/Body, Darklight everywhere else and a NQ Astral Ring no materia as the other ring we get:
Argute Body first: 870.12 average heal -> 900.61
Omni+1 first: 870.12 average heal -> 907.44
this is on Physick but you get the same % increase on other strength heals AKA Omni+1 is a 4.29% increase regardless of heal potency
This factors in the additional crit, its like 1.5% more crits btw REALLY negligible.
In terms of raw heal
And you still have to wait 2 weeks to get Argute Mortarboard since Gown+Mortarboard cost more than 1200.

edit: This is for a lala dunesfolk with 30 points in mind since thats the base stats I have easy access to