[Discussion] The Pugilist of the Future!

[Vackashken]

Frame of reference bias.

Or from fact of doing it would be a more appropriate perspective?

I tanked the great buffalo with 15 vitality for 4 minutes just messing around. On conjurer. With R35 body armor on.
The conclusion isn't that pug is a great tank. It's that there really aren't situations in the game that call for great tanks. I have no doubt in my mind that conjurer is an awesome tank, if by awesome you mean can tank great buffalo with no issues. Again, I wasn't even trying. I was the opposite of trying.

Irrelevant - we're talking about if pug can tank or not. It can and easily so.

Honestly when those situations arise, the thaumaturge is a safer tank than pugilist is, and every meleer would perform about the same--that is, very poorly.

Irrelevant - we're talking about if pug can tank or not. It can and easily so.

Pug isn't going to get any points for being an eva tank or an off tank. It's just not a worthwhile or functional role. It's one thing to say it, and another thing to mistake accomplishing it with being great at it compared to anyone else.

Or again, the fact of the matter is I was called to tank Buffalo and did so without problem leaving the other members to fill other roles. I'm not sure why you're bringing any of this up when the frame of reference was can or can it not tank. Not is it the best.

It's another to actually be it. Ninja was an evasion tank. Pugilist is a blood tank with bad gear options.

Again, was there a comparison in the vein you are talking about or are you wasting our theoretically discussion of what we'd like for pug to become for a chance to be some kind of bizarre know-it-all? We're talking about what can pug do and what can't it do. We're talking about what we'd like it to become and what needs to get better. Not if its the best or is something else better.

FFS...