[Discussion] The Pugilist of the Future!

[Peregrine]

I'd like to see some parse info from people saying Pug does king damage or close.

It doesn't. In a party of 8 on your NMs this is what the parses almost always show:

Pug-18% of damage
MRD-18% of damage
LNC-20% of damge
THM/CON-22% of damage
ARC-25% of damage
GLA-1% of damage
Healer-1% of damage

It's actually remarkably reproduceable, even if the archer dies which is really disappointing.

Note that this isn't a specific party as it doesn't add to 100%. This is just what, on average, each damaging role provides to a total party when they're in a typical balanced party.

I see pugilists and marauders in the same boat--first up on the chopping block of "no point in inviting one" if content gets difficult. They won't be invited to tank, and they won't be invited to DD. Pugs, like Marauders, are great at generic content but not great where the players emphasize, which is endgame and big fights.

I would like to see pugs become the kings of slow and steady DPS like they almost were in XI. None of their "balance ability points" should be wasted on the silly notion that they can tank. No one cares, because that's what gladiators are for.