Remove the 'noob in your party' warning

[Pooky]

I usually have good experiences, but last night we were doing a CM run for a fresh 50 and so we were gonna let him watch cutscenes and not speed through. 7 people from the FC and we got a DF BLM. Right away we tell him this is not a speed run as we have a first timer. He replies with "Awesome". At that time we didn't realize that was a sarcastic response. So, we then start explaining to the new guy the mechanics of the first pull(he's a PLD). The BLM says, "You are also going to explain shit?" and quits. We just shook our virtual heads, got another BLM replacement right away who had no problems not doing a speed run. Our run took 36 minutes.

My question is for a DPS, is it really worth not being patient to let someone new learn the dungeon and enjoy it his first time by accepting the 15 minute DF penalty and queueing up as a DPS again? How much faster than 36 minutes can you clear CM to make up for the 15 min penalty plus however long it takes a DPS to get the queue to pop? And why are there so many people who seem to take so much offense when there's a newbie in a dungeon?

[Anakhu]

I like the message, it allows me to know if we need to explain anything. Or even lets them know I need some explaining.. cuz when I try reading from a forums or wiki about a dungeon, i'm lost by the time I load up in dungeon. I just listen for the key points, get in there and try( and then my brain stores it). my first run in AK I felt terrible for what I made my group endure during Demon Wall.. I died so many times by the time we reached final boss my WHM gear was all busted and I didnt have any replacements and could only get like 500hp cure IIs off. But thanks to their not raging out on me and trying to teach me the ways, them bosses are easy now. If everyone could be as nice and forgiving, we would have a lot more experienced players and no need for the elitist shouts we see.

[jcw005]

It's nice having the message because first-timers don't always let you know it's their first time, something possibly warranted given how caustic this community can be. That said, it's nice to know when someone doesn't know what to do on a fight that takes coordination. For example, I did an HM Ifrit run where one of the two tanks had no clue either how to MT or how to stun, and didn't let anyone know. It led to some problems that could have been easily avoided.

When people react poorly to it being someone's first time, that's on them. But when you don't let any of your 7 party members know that you don't know what's going on, it's disrespectful, and that's on you. (I probably sound bitter, because I am - I'm a DPS. I hate waiting in queue for 35m only to have things fall apart within the first few minutes because of things like this.)

[Blaste]

Um just cause they get the first time message doesn't mean they are unfamiliar with the dungeon, I dunno bout anyone else but Ive youtubed quite a few dungeons on my work break so I get the general gist of things, even friends said to do a bit of research into the dungeons and bosses to avoid headaches. But hey if people want to have a noob freakout then let'em.

[Lucroarna]

Why do you care so much? 1 DPS left and you jump to the forums?

[Balaur]

I know why you did it, it was a good idea, but as is clear from the numerous threads here and elsewhere this is being abused by many jerks, usually tanks, and is rapidly making this game a game for the elitist jerks only.

This needs to go.

Level 50 dungeons and "raids" do not give this warning, as the only reason it pops up is that there is an experience bonus for running with someone new. Incidentally, the pejorative use of "noob" in your post can come across, and may be intended to be, as offensive. Being new to content doesn't carry with it the stigma that the term also incorporates, that of idiocy. Everyone, even the most skilled -- even YOU -- would be a "noob" to any content you'd never set foot in. Even your first Sastasha run, YOU WERE A NOOB.

[AsakuraVN]

If the tank was really that retard, I'd rather not wasting my time running with him anyways. If the message weren't there, no one gonna know if they need to guide the newbie until after some wipes, and the tank would still leave.

[Strelnikov]

I have a 41 paladin and a 20 archer, 15 pug and 36 whm, I would never do this.. I enjoy taking people through the dungeons with my pally..

IF however, they insist that they are in a HUGE hurry, with the gogogogo speach. I leave. Right then and there. 15 minutes by your self are a gift compared to to 90 with cretins.

I do only pugs, i don't get a chance to play that much and I take it when I can.
So I get a lot of dps wanting to run in and aggro, I let them. Then I get the crap tank speech.
If tanking or healing were so Great in this game, WE WOULD ALL be healers and tanks.

Yoshi, put too much on the healers and tanks, DPS should get aggro LOTS of it so that it forces them to Focus.. That would be divine justice.

[Duelle]

Penalty for leaving within the first 10 minutes of a dungeon should be steeper.

Granted, while I am thankful for their patience my first AK group wasn't exactly cooperative about it. They pretty much did whatever they wanted with the trash mobs (the two DPS and healer were in full darklight and ifrit/garuda weapons, I was a tank in full AF and a lv44 sword >.>;;;; ), explained the boss mechanics to me and kinda went from there. I just wish more people were like that instead of leaving just because you have people that don't know the instance.

[Zer0]

As a tank myself, I don't pay attention to chat and auto assume that at least somebody hasn't been there. I don't care, it's my job to be a tank. I actually hate the impatient archers even more. The ones that offload the second I hit tomahawk and generate more threat then me and don't slow down or wait at all. Those people I'll gladly let die.