Remove the 'noob in your party' warning

[RazeLandale]

Not having the message isn't going to make someone not new. If someone is going to leave when they find out they have new people in the dungeon they're going to leave. That can be immediately...or it an be after the first wipe where nobody bothered to explain a fight because they didn't know they had new people in the dungeon. Honestly it's better for everyone if it's just immediately.

[KogaDrake]

People do not quit because of first time bonus, or 1st time attending the instance, they quit when the players are not geared enough or competent enough to learn when explained. there are people who simply put with their gear and skill level will simply not be able to complete some dungeons (or if do its as the timer hits 0, wasting a lot of time).

I have run with many 1st timers in AK and 90% of them are fine, but some are simply not even in AF, lv30 accesories, and have no clue how to play (thank you FATE grind). in these situations its realy not worth the time. Now geared correct and seems competent you go to first boss and see what happens (maybe stick out to the wall if are unsure), but in most cases you know at 1st boss what your chances are.

point is, its not that people are new, its people who are new and also do not have a clue about how to play that cause the drops.

[Ferr]

Already I'm starting to see the effects of more players reaching endgame. The "world first ALL the things" crowds are starting to be outnumbered, and their fake gear/experience checks are being replaced with /shouts of "join us to learn the fight" and "don't listen to the people overhyping the difficulty of these fights".

Never saw shouts like that (and yesterday I spent all the friggin day in Mor Dhona) but I hope this is true.

[oneshot]

Every time i've been in a group and it was my first time running it, everyone was completely understanding and they helped my explaning the fights to me. Some people are just @$$es and expect everyone to be perfect

[Evewhiran]

I don't agree with getting rid of the heads-up alert that there are new players for a dungeon. I think it is helpful and useful to see. One can set their expectations with the knowledge that at least one person is new.

If you are encountering people who are quitting just because of that message then count your blessings that you didn't have to run the instance with them. Clearly, they need to be carried through the instance and don't know how to do it without others carrying them. (That is written with only a little tongue in cheek.)

[Wobi]

Word of advice, if you are new to something please speak up. Most of us will be happy to help walk you thru the mechanics, don't just run into the fray and get upset when you die or we fail.
Dungeons like AK have 4 people, everyone has to do their part to get it completed.

[Nymri]

wouldn't it solve all this trouble if at level 50 dungeons a new player awarded a boost to tombstones and gil instead of the exp that no-one can use. A tank may leave if they're going to lose out on tombstones/hr, but the same ones will probably happily stay for a boost to it. Players should be rewarded for helping out newer players. If SE is against this, another one they could try is that tombstones received in the dungeon don't count towards the weekly cap. We'd never see a party die due to a new player, we might even see FC's advertising to take new players though content to show them the ropes for that bonus/tombstones above cap.

[Pooky]

I usually have good experiences, but last night we were doing a CM run for a fresh 50 and so we were gonna let him watch cutscenes and not speed through. 7 people from the FC and we got a DF BLM. Right away we tell him this is not a speed run as we have a first timer. He replies with "Awesome". At that time we didn't realize that was a sarcastic response. So, we then start explaining to the new guy the mechanics of the first pull(he's a PLD). The BLM says, "You are also going to explain shit?" and quits. We just shook our virtual heads, got another BLM replacement right away who had no problems not doing a speed run. Our run took 36 minutes.

My question is for a DPS, is it really worth not being patient to let someone new learn the dungeon and enjoy it his first time by accepting the 15 minute DF penalty and queueing up as a DPS again? How much faster than 36 minutes can you clear CM to make up for the 15 min penalty plus however long it takes a DPS to get the queue to pop? And why are there so many people who seem to take so much offense when there's a newbie in a dungeon?

[Anakhu]

I like the message, it allows me to know if we need to explain anything. Or even lets them know I need some explaining.. cuz when I try reading from a forums or wiki about a dungeon, i'm lost by the time I load up in dungeon. I just listen for the key points, get in there and try( and then my brain stores it). my first run in AK I felt terrible for what I made my group endure during Demon Wall.. I died so many times by the time we reached final boss my WHM gear was all busted and I didnt have any replacements and could only get like 500hp cure IIs off. But thanks to their not raging out on me and trying to teach me the ways, them bosses are easy now. If everyone could be as nice and forgiving, we would have a lot more experienced players and no need for the elitist shouts we see.

[jcw005]

It's nice having the message because first-timers don't always let you know it's their first time, something possibly warranted given how caustic this community can be. That said, it's nice to know when someone doesn't know what to do on a fight that takes coordination. For example, I did an HM Ifrit run where one of the two tanks had no clue either how to MT or how to stun, and didn't let anyone know. It led to some problems that could have been easily avoided.

When people react poorly to it being someone's first time, that's on them. But when you don't let any of your 7 party members know that you don't know what's going on, it's disrespectful, and that's on you. (I probably sound bitter, because I am - I'm a DPS. I hate waiting in queue for 35m only to have things fall apart within the first few minutes because of things like this.)