No real endgame raiding content in 2.1

[nimrod]

OK, the Topic doesn´t fit 100% for all ppl, so inb4 flame.

Will there be new levels of Bahamut in patch 2.1?

-Next update for Bahamut is coming in patch 2.2. In .2.1 we’ll be adding Crystal Tower. Both updated will be done alternative. Bahamut > Crystal Tower > Bahamut > Crystal Tower, in that order.

I see. So it’s not like once you clear all of bahamut then you can challenge in Crystal Tower?

-It’s not like that. Crystal Tower is alliance based end content while Bahamut is 8 player party based ultimate end content. We’ll update these in alternate.

I see, so both contents are not related, they are two separate individual end contents. So it’s even possible to do play Bahamut only since your group can’t get 24 people?

-Yes, you can play like that as well.

(Its a peace of a rough translation Reinheart did here on the forums from an jp interview: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...English/page11 )

So basicly 2.1 gives us a 24man DF raid (LFR/Easymode/PUGable - less time consuming content) that was supposed to ship with 2.0 and be content between Amdapors Keep and Coils of Bahamut. They needed more time to tune it so they posponed it to 2.1.
2.2 gives us 8man Bahamut "hardmode" with more turns.

-In conclusion as "endgame" content we get the "extreme/ultimate" primal fights in 2.1 and thats it. 3 small bossfights (maybe the moogle fight, but guess thats again DF/PUG content). We have to wait atleast 7month till 2.2 comes out.

[Compared to old XxX where u had atleast 7-13Bosses to fight against in two raidsizes 10/25man and 3 difficulties (LFR/NORMAL/HEROIC) for 5-8Month.]

U could argue: 3 primal fights + 4Bosses in Coils are also 7 bosses in total. Yep your math is right - still u got only 1 diffculty, added another one for the primal bosses in 2.1 and u will mostly que for garuda(hard) and titan(hard) one time in the current version for the relic quest. So u are basicly playing endgame raid content against 4 NPC bosses.

Now the great question - enough endgame content for over half a year?. Can´t see myself running with the 10th Character into the same small "endgame" dungeon. Don´t get me wrong - im talking here about endgame "raid" content not the pvp, level other classes, professions, get millionaire, get housing, get a real life, wife, a dog stuff.

TL;DR
- 2.1 easymode 24man crystal tower (content between AK and Coil of Bahamut accessible through DF)
- 2.1 3 extrememode ifirt, garuda, titan fights + DF moogle fight
- No real engame raiding content for over half a year. Only 4 Bosses to "farm" (7 if u count the extreme primal fight of 2.1 in)
- 2.2 more turns for coil of bahamut

// I dont´t hate on it, its my opinion that these days the mmo "makers" focus on "leveling" experience only and just forget everything at the higher levels/endgame raiding of an start of an mmo, last time i saw that was on swtor - and we all now where that game went, had really great leveling but endgame was non existent w/o bugs at release. In ARR they didn´t even mess around to get one of the really good level dungeons into "high" level content for example

Good quotes/findings from other community member:

Yoshi-P stated it (crystal tower) will be made for duty finder and "not that hard" in a live interview.

[Macka]

You forgot to put in there "In my opinion there is no real endgame raiding content in 2.1"

[nimrod]

You forgot to put in there "In my opinion there is no real endgame raiding content in 2.1"

Yeah should have put an "IMHO" on it, sorry forgot that.

[3Jane]

You forgot to put in there "In my opinion there is no real endgame raiding content in 2.1"

Oh dear me no, did someone voice their opinion without first stating the obvious that they were speaking for them selves. You really need that sad little sop do you.

[Onimal]

I remember when EQ was first released. 4 months into it finally was able to get level 50. There were 2 dungeons for that level. as soon as that happened they released new patches with raids. These raids required 50+ people at the start, AND THE SERVERS DIDN'T LAG.

Zones don't have to be pretty at the start, just give me challenging content that relies more on skill than gear.

[Kaedra]

I remember when EQ was first released. 4 months into it finally was able to get level 50. There were 2 dungeons for that level. as soon as that happened they released new patches with raids. These raids required 50+ people at the start, AND THE SERVERS DIDN'T LAG.

The first day Plane of Fear opened up there was no level limit to the zone and right at the entrance was mobs that could shred you right as you zone in. The pile of bodies was so bad the GM's closed off the zone and actually helped get the bodies out. Raids would form outside the portal and when it was time the tanks would zone in before the healers and you prayed the tanks got there first and did not DC. It was not instanced so your guild had to sign up for certain days and hope that the non english speaking guild did not clean out the zone before hand and no LAG? Really? back in the day of 56k? No lag? Take those damn goggles off please.

[Rhas]

These raids required 50+ people at the start, AND THE SERVERS DIDN'T LAG.

That's because the graphics were so crappy there wasn't much stress on the servers. Then game graphics improved and server stability went down. (MMO in general)

[Reika]

That's because the graphics were so crappy there wasn't much stress on the servers. Then game graphics improved and server stability went down. (MMO in general)

Servers don't render graphics. ARR would lag just as bad if the whole game was wireframe stick figures.

[Talma]

lol chill out bruh, go learn some trades [:

[Fenwick]

Hey, you can't inb4 the original post! That's cheating. D:

If the information remains true though, that really isn't a lot of content. I guess it depends on how big the Crystal Tower is initially, and how difficult the primals are. I think I'll hold judgement until after 2.1 comes out.