How a Dual Spec System will affect releasing new Classes/Jobs. (Implementing SAM/NIN)

[Augury]

I was actually thinking Ninja should be a smaller specialty of the Thief-job, and likewise, Samurai a specialization of the Berserker-job. I don't like the idea of Red/Blue/Black/White Mages only because they are all covered by the Armory system, so the jobs should focus on the actual cast, not the spell-pool. I think the jobs themselves should be rather broad, even if they contain specializations. Or even just have oriental weapon options for the Thief and Berserker for the same real effect

[Cairdeas]

I like the idea. I'm iffy on the melee enhancing spells (Enspells) coming from this class rather than Red Mage because if you give this class enspells and emphasis in magic-melee , this means Red Mage might get screwed with support abilities a second time around (the one thing I do not want to see happen in this game). I'd place more emphasis on the Draw Out part of the samurai (as seen in FF tactics) with a couple of strike-type skills. Attaching Ninjutsu to this was smart and quite creative, IMO. I'll support this, so long as Utsusemi does not darken my doorstep to ruin another game.

This would be a Weapon Class that gave Enspells to the game, the job Redmage would still be able to use them once the job system is implemented etc.

[Duelle]

This would be a Weapon Class that gave Enspells to the game, the job Redmage would still be able to use them once the job system is implemented etc.

Depending on what the job Red Mage gets. I'm waiting to see how that pans out, but my concern stems from the fact that if you're giving part of the magic fencer aspect of Red Mage to the Vagrant weapon class, I'm afraid to see what's left over in terms of design. Considering nukes and cure are covered by CON, enfeebles are in part from THM, and enspells and magic melee (Magic Sword, Spellblade, or however else you want to call it) would be covered by VNT, that kind of leaves Refresh... >.>

Edit: Maybe I misunderstood idea behind the dual system of class/job. Looking over the OP again, is the intention to distribute the main abilities through the weapon classes with the jobs enhancing those abilities depending the role of the job?

[Brightshadow]

Depending on what the job Red Mage gets. I'm waiting to see how that pans out, but my concern stems from the fact that if you're giving part of the magic fencer aspect of Red Mage to the Vagrant weapon class, I'm afraid to see what's left over in terms of design. Considering nukes and cure are covered by CON, enfeebles are in part from THM, and enspells and magic melee (Magic Sword, Spellblade, or however else you want to call it) would be covered by VNT, that kind of leaves Refresh... >.>

Edit: Maybe I misunderstood idea behind the dual system of class/job. Looking over the OP again, is the intention to distribute the main abilities through the weapon classes with the jobs enhancing those abilities depending the role of the job?

I think that SE will use the job system more like a Bonus title system rather then unlocking of skill type of system, but who knows. I like the idea heck I also had a idea for the aoe what if you needed to hit the mob to gain the enspell, but it would only be AOE by Vargard or w/e you call it.

[Cairdeas]

Edit: Maybe I misunderstood idea behind the dual system of class/job. Looking over the OP again, is the intention to distribute the main abilities through the weapon classes with the jobs enhancing those abilities depending the role of the job?

Thats what I'm hoping.

Also just to make it clear in past final fantasy's. the "elemental Blade" skills were either part of the job Mystic, Mystic Knight, Spellsword, or Samurai. FFXI gave them to Redmage to give them more to do in combat. It was the first time they ever had those skills.

[Duelle]

Also just to make it clear in past final fantasy's. the "elemental Blade" skills were either part of the job Mystic, Mystic Knight, Spellsword, or Samurai. FFXI gave them to Redmage to give them more to do in combat. It was the first time they ever had those skills.

Seeing that Red Mage had Saber in FF1, which was a melee enhancing spell, it's not much of a stretch to link enspells to Red Mage in the same way. I simply put it to the overt emphasis on the elements when it came to magic design in FFXI. If anything, it supports how the job is usually advertised: a magic swordsman.

Either way, I understand what you're aiming for. All I ask is that Utsusemi and anything like it stays far, far away from this game.

[AquaRyu]

Wow o_O' ! You got a lot to say

I didn't read everything sry.
So just a small post to support the dual weild request =)

I would love to use 2 pistols at a time.
Sadly at the beginning of the game in Limsa, they all use one gun only.
But in her description, it's saying that Merlwyb uses 2 guns, more than 2 guns, two relics
I wonder if this can be a hope for use, or if it's only to show her uniqueness.

[gifthorse]

Trying to appease to the Final Fantasy traditionalists is such a handicap.

[Nephera]

well it does illustrate why the naming scheme was possibly a bad choice.

[Cairdeas]

well it does illustrate why the naming scheme was possibly a bad choice.

Indeed it does. But it was also a great choice to be honest.

If they had just used the traditional job names from the outset for this new class system everyone would have been confused about "Well why is there a Red Mage, and a Dark Knight with no melee weapon" as Conj and Thaum seemed to fit those descriptions at first. If you think of the armoury system outside of traditional FF jobs none of the classes match any of the jobs from past FFs. Instead you have to mix and match atleast 2 classes in XIV to make a traditional FF Job. I have a feeling they always intended to have the Final Fantasy Job names play a part in character customization but they didnt get it finalized before they were forced to release so the system never came to pass. Instead Yoshi-P had to throw one together and hopefully its adequate to create a sense of accomplishment, force role reinforcement, and nostalgia. Even if its illusionary. All without removing the uniqueness of the Armoury System.