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    [?Bug] Steady hands

    Hello everybody,

    I just realized that something strange today while crafting. I apologize if this has already been posted before.

    According to the tooltip of [steady hands], it grants +20% success rate for the next 5 actions. But when i activate it and mouseover the buff on the top of my UI, it says 10% !

    Tests:
    1 - I tried activating the skill and mouseover the buff for all my crafters and it shows the same thing.

    2 - I usually use [steady hands] for [hasty touch] and the success rates don't seen to add up to 70%. I've been doing lots of crafting to work it out but my sample size isn't large enough and i'm sitting on 64%.... (>____>)

    Has this problem been reported or resolved ?

    Thanks in advance.
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    Jezer Madbum
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    Isn't it like if Steady Hands "Improves action success rate by 20% for the next five steps". Then it means that if "Hasty Touch" has 50% success rate then you multiply it by the 20% improvement and you get 60%. So it doesn't give +20% to success rate, but it improves the success rate of the skill by 20%, hence the 10% increase in this case.
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    Phoenix(EU): Jezer Madbum
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    Conradus Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by JezeT View Post
    Isn't it like if Steady Hands "Improves action success rate by 20% for the next five steps". Then it means that if "Hasty Touch" has 50% success rate then you multiply it by the 20% improvement and you get 60%. So it doesn't give +20% to success rate, but it improves the success rate of the skill by 20%, hence the 10% increase in this case.
    Wrong. It adds 20 percentage points. Your success rate with Hasty Touch with Steady Hands up is 70%. The tooltip text on the buff icon is incorrect; this has been acknowledged by SE. It's not the only buff icon with incorrect text. You should always go by the action description, which is kept up to date better.

    The best way to test this is to look at Standard Touch, as this doesn't subject you to trying to parse the variances of the RNG. I have never seen Standard Touch fail with Steady Hands up. If it was 10%, Standard Touch with Steady Hands up would fail 10% of the time. If Steady Hands added 20% of your current success chance instead of 20 percentage points flat, it would fail 4% of the time.
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    Last edited by Conradus; 10-04-2013 at 10:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JezeT View Post
    Isn't it like if Steady Hands "Improves action success rate by 20% for the next five steps". Then it means that if "Hasty Touch" has 50% success rate then you multiply it by the 20% improvement and you get 60%. So it doesn't give +20% to success rate, but it improves the success rate of the skill by 20%, hence the 10% increase in this case.
    No, percentages are additive in this game, not multiplicative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyronex View Post
    No, percentages are additive in this game, not multiplicative.
    People say this all the time, but I've never ever failed any 70% Success or higher Action when I activate SH II and as long as I dont fail a single time, its additive for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindicate View Post
    People say this all the time, but I've never ever failed any 70% Success or higher Action when I activate SH II and as long as I dont fail a single time, its additive for me
    This is true people who macro script will know when you steady (20%) with standard touch (80%) all day long, you will never fail. And we all know how many stacks of those we go through on mats.

    We have seen 98% NQ, but we haven't seen steady+standard fail. Thus, if there was even a 2% chance of failure, then it would have happened on someone's watch already.
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    Yes It's +20 points. Standard touch will never fail with steady hands active. I know because 99% fails more than 1% of the time hehe.
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