So i finished my PLD... After my WAR

[Kitru]

I'm still waiting to see how WAR is actually harder to play then a PLD.

Just because you find both to be easy to play does not mean that one is not explicitly harder to play. PLD has a single combo that it has to bother with and barely has to know anything about fights in order to tank effectively. A WAR has 2 combos and a much more complex resource game (Wrath is a resource, remember) along with more buffs and effects that have to be maintained. Arguing that PLD is anything but the most simple class in the game is being incredibly disingenuous.

[Hachiko]

I'm still waiting to see how WAR is actually harder to play then a PLD.

btw. I have both at 50. Relic on my WAR, working on PLD relic. So far.. WAR is no harder to play then a PLD.. its actually easier due to overpower vs Multi Mobs.

PLD: 1 combo to use, 2 off GCD attack skills which can be macroed into basic moves, 1 DPS cooldown that has no "downside" or conditional usage, Pre-Emptive mitigation skills

WAR: 2 combos to rely on with a variable rotation, A DoT that trades off Enmity for DPS, 2 DPS cooldowns which have significant downsides and extremely conditional usage, An alternative Resource system to monitor (wrath stacks), Reactive mitigation.

It's not THAT hard, but it's significantly more taxing than PLD. As PLD the only thing you have to worry about is what the boss is going to do next, and if you can put up a defensive cooldown for that in time you're golden. As a WAR you have much more to monitor. You have 1 - 2 debuffs, you have to time your rotations correctly for optimal utility, damage, and enmity (BB -> BB -> SE -> BB -> FR -> SE -> BB -> BB -> SE -> FR -> BB -> SE etc. for Dmg). You have to decide whether or not to hold your Berserk for Inner Beast, or to use it for DPS knowing that if you take a big hit, i.e. Mountain Buster, during pacification your primary mitigation skill will be unavailable.

There are probably other things, but it seems silly to claim that WAR doesn't require more attentive play at the very least. To play a WAR properly takes significantly more cognitive effort than a PLD. The problem is that what is "gained" from this additional effort is simply being less effective.

[hola]

warrior need a very long foreplay
while on the other hand, pld only need to take out their guns...

[Arcana]

i would like to see a developers video showing us the potential of warrior as Yoshi-P said in the TGS.

[MillieVanillie]

i would like to see a developers video showing us the potential of warrior as Yoshi-P said in the TGS.

Christ Almighty this. Apparently the lot of us are doing something wrong. Yoshi-P's "Ya'll doing it wrong broskis. Ya gots to do some research!" (not exact quote) wasn't exactly looked on too keenly to us WARs. Hell ain't none of us wanna trump our Paladin brothers, we just wanna be more effective in battle. Nothing wrong with that I say. I just need some sorta nudge in the right direction because I see alot of potential in this class and I don't want it to be shirked off. Hell I don't wanna drop it for my PUG...even though I enjoy giving monsters the ol' Fist of the North Star treatment. And mining...while singing a certain Neil Diamond song.

Anyways, I just want this put to rest. Tired of this whole Warrior vs Paladin fight. It's stupid and dumb. Its...stumb? Yea hell let's roll with that at 4am after a 2nd glass of American Turkey whiskey.

[Wangstrong]

i would like to see a developers video showing us the potential of warrior as Yoshi-P said in the TGS.

There's no such thing. Either the language barrier mangled his comment or the developers are just clueless. I've frankly never seen anything this insulting in a dev to player context before. Insinuating that every warrior player in the world is just bad at the game when the class is so obviously underpowered is just a declaration of both incompetence and assholery.

[Kyzr]

Wait, what? A WAR with +10 iLevel is the same a PLD? How does a WAR ever faceroll then? When he's got the same gear? No, you just said he needs to have an entire tier better. So two tiers? A WAR "facerolls" a PLD when he has two tiers better gear? Well duh. And what exactly does he faceroll in? Damage? That's been debunked, it's less than 5%. In fact, I would be willing to bet that if a healer uses the 20% time saved NOT healing a WAR over a PLD, and spends it doing damage, that a PLD is a net GAIN in group damage. I'm almost positive this is true.

What you just said, means one thing: FCs pushing new content, will never take a WAR. Why would they? They can bring PLDs with newer gear, or a really geared PLD and let healers do more damage.

WARs are broken; We need your help, not your empty rhetoric.

[DukeGr]

What you just said, means one thing: FCs pushing new content, will never take a WAR. Why would they? They can bring PLDs with newer gear, or a really geared PLD and let healers do more damage.

WARs are broken; We need your help, not your empty rhetoric.

What i said applies only to bosses designed to be tanked with the PLD's dmg reduction skill in mind, the +10 ilvl's of gear compensate for not having that skill. At the moment for 95% of the content WAR is a better choice than PLD due to better aggro management and dps, that is for complete instances not just 1 boss in particular. Of course it all runs down to personal preferences and team play style. At the moment there is no way someone can say "WAR sux so i play PLD", both are cool and both can manage, theres no reason to reroll PLD if u like WAR just prepare abit better for that specific content.


Lastly WAR's do about 30%-40% more DPS than the average PLD if you use skills properly. This number is not from my head its from the parser of two equally geared tanks 1 PLD and 1 WAR tanking Hydra.

So no WAR's are not broken, they are actually pretty OP with good gear.

[Rios-Drakoon]

WAR is broken, thats how it is.

SE said once:

Paladin reduce incoming dmg (thats what he do)
Warrior conter incoming dmg with his selfheal (um, wuut? selfheal? 40-100 Heal per hit from Bloodbath? 100 Heal from Stormspath all 9sec? 900 Heal from Innerbeast, with some CD on we can also heal usself for 2000, but only all 2min)

Say wha you want, Selfheal from Warrior is just a bad joke.

But alot Paladin say "Warrior are just fine" they are scared,cuz IF (and i hope they will) buff Warrior, then People can say, Warrior or Paladin, doesnt matter, both tanks are good.

And then Paladin will get Trouble.

[oceanlord]

Lastly WAR's do about 30%-40% more DPS than the average PLD if you use skills properly. This number is not from my head its from the parser of two equally geared tanks 1 PLD and 1 WAR tanking Hydra.

So no WAR's are not broken, they are actually pretty OP with good gear.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1321295

that paladin in the parser is either undergeared or just plain noob