So i finished my PLD... After my WAR

[Ramsey]

Are you basing this on parses?

You aren't counting Inner Beast (which with Infuriate it's quite nice) and Blood Bath into that HPS calculation. And it's really not something you can parse because the only parser I know (FFXIV App) does not see them. Add also Second Wind.

It's probably still not enough to be on par with Paladins, but I saw ONE post from a healer here. What do other healers think?

As for DPS (more DPS = more healing), yes you HAVE to count Berserk, Unchained and if you picked it from Monk, Internal Release.

If you leave out a load of skills your maths are skewed. Getting Mantra might be worth looking into.

Paladin gets huge damage mitigation but we don't seem to ever take into consideration all of the healing aspects of Warrior.

No, this is not based on a parse, basing it on a parse would actually be a bad idea, there are a lot of variables to take into account, namely player skill. Looking at things in a vacuum is the best way to show the discrepancy.

I intentionally left out additional abilities and just included their base mitigation and healing received. Warrior's self-healing will never make up for the gap right now, especially since that self-healing sacrifices stacks of Wrath, temporarily reducing a healer's potency on the warrior. Not to mention I also did not count Paladin's many "take less damage" buttons, nor did I include blocking, and yet still there's quite a gulf in efficiency.

[C-croft]

Dumb question. Has anyone tried stacking DEX to increase parry rates?

[hola]

Dumb question. Has anyone tried stacking DEX to increase parry rates?

if you knew its dumb, then why did you ask?

its like asking

hey, i know im a retard, but do you know im a retard? i want to know.

[Kitru]

Lastly WAR's do about 30%-40% more DPS than the average PLD if you use skills properly. This number is not from my head its from the parser of two equally geared tanks 1 PLD and 1 WAR tanking Hydra.

An optimally played PLD tank will deal within 5% of the damage that a WAR tank deals. In fact, if it's a WAR tank and a PLD tank *together*, the PLD tank will actually deal more damage, by about 5% again, thanks to benefiting from Storm's Edge. Just check out the post in my sig.

Anyone who thinks that PLDs that deal loads less damage than WARs are *not* optimally played PLDs. The fact that so many PLD can't manage decent DPS is just indicative of how easy it is to play one without being utterly worthless. A WAR that doesn't maximize its damage isn't going to be able to tank for shit. A PLD, however, is going to be able to coast along just fine.

[C-croft]

if you knew its dumb, then why did you ask?

its like asking

hey, i know im a retard, but do you know im a retard? i want to know.

Because it's out of the box. And I knew I would get some flak for asking. It's a yes or no question and if someone has tried and says it useless so be it. But of course a trollface cookie cutter such as yourself wouldn't understand.

PS I already know I'm a retard. I have been watching this thread and feel even more retarded after reading some of these posts.

[Kitru]

Because it's out of the box. And I knew I would get some flak for asking. It's a yes or no question and if someone has tried and says it useless so be it. But of course a trollface cookie cutter such as yourself wouldn't understand.

I believe that someone did that math for the contribution and, while it added a similar amount to parry/block rate as STR added to parry/block value, that's *all* that it did. STR increases damage along with parry/block so it most definitely edges out DEX.

Of course, one of the bigger issues is that the DEX/STR add such minor amounts to your parry/block rate that it's effectively negligible. It takes something like 30 STR to even see the slightest change.

[C-croft]

I believe that someone did that math for the contribution and, while it added a similar amount to parry/block rate as STR added to parry/block value, that's *all* that it did. STR increases damage along with parry/block so it most definitely edges out DEX.

Of course, one of the bigger issues is that the DEX/STR add such minor amounts to your parry/block rate that it's effectively negligible. It takes something like 30 STR to even see the slightest change.

I had a feeling that might be the case. I had read about the STR stack, wasn't sure if DEX stack would be the same if not worse.

Thanks for taking the time to explain it.

[hola]

Because it's out of the box. And I knew I would get some flak for asking. It's a yes or no question and if someone has tried and says it useless so be it. But of course a trollface cookie cutter such as yourself wouldn't understand.

PS I already know I'm a retard. I have been watching this thread and feel even more retarded after reading some of these posts.

no one has tried it because stacking dex is obviously useless

we all knew it and we dont need to prove it.

why didnt you ask if anyone stacking piety?
so they could get more mp to use more flash?

[C-croft]

no one has tried it because stacking dex is obviously useless

we all knew it and we dont need to prove it.

why didnt you ask if anyone stacking piety?
so they could get more mp to use more flash?

What about DEX stack is useless other than your assumption it is useless? How did you know it was useless?

[Dhex]

What about DEX stack is useless other than your assumption it is useless? How did you know it was useless?

DEX effects how often you parry.

http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=227

STR effects how much DMG you parry.

Parry stat is better returns than DEX returns.

Parry is the secondary stat on all VIT accessories.

DEX is useless from a tanking stand point.