So i finished my PLD... After my WAR

[Xariann]

1000 DPS = 800 DPS to a PLD
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Are you basing this on parses?

You aren't counting Inner Beast (which with Infuriate it's quite nice) and Blood Bath into that HPS calculation. And it's really not something you can parse because the only parser I know (FFXIV App) does not see them. Add also Second Wind.

It's probably still not enough to be on par with Paladins, but I saw ONE post from a healer here. What do other healers think?

As for DPS (more DPS = more healing), yes you HAVE to count Berserk, Unchained and if you picked it from Monk, Internal Release.

If you leave out a load of skills your maths are skewed. Getting Mantra might be worth looking into.

Paladin gets huge damage mitigation but we don't seem to ever take into consideration all of the healing aspects of Warrior.

[Ramsey]

Are you basing this on parses?

You aren't counting Inner Beast (which with Infuriate it's quite nice) and Blood Bath into that HPS calculation. And it's really not something you can parse because the only parser I know (FFXIV App) does not see them. Add also Second Wind.

It's probably still not enough to be on par with Paladins, but I saw ONE post from a healer here. What do other healers think?

As for DPS (more DPS = more healing), yes you HAVE to count Berserk, Unchained and if you picked it from Monk, Internal Release.

If you leave out a load of skills your maths are skewed. Getting Mantra might be worth looking into.

Paladin gets huge damage mitigation but we don't seem to ever take into consideration all of the healing aspects of Warrior.

No, this is not based on a parse, basing it on a parse would actually be a bad idea, there are a lot of variables to take into account, namely player skill. Looking at things in a vacuum is the best way to show the discrepancy.

I intentionally left out additional abilities and just included their base mitigation and healing received. Warrior's self-healing will never make up for the gap right now, especially since that self-healing sacrifices stacks of Wrath, temporarily reducing a healer's potency on the warrior. Not to mention I also did not count Paladin's many "take less damage" buttons, nor did I include blocking, and yet still there's quite a gulf in efficiency.

[Kyzr]

People keep saying Warrior is heads over heels better in damage than Paladin. They're not. It's in the <5% range of damage.

WoW had a similar problem with Feral Druids for years. They didn't know how to balance high HP vs Mitigation. What they ended up finding out is that when you introduce fights that have dangerous levels of burst on a tank, a high HP tank will never be wanted on this fight. Eventually they had to introduce a stacking shield effect on Feral, just to make them competitive.

Want to know how to fix WAR?

Inner Beast needs to be a shield effect, and for more. 500% Shield Effect lasting 10-15s. This would be about a 1500 / 3500 shield depending on crit/berserk).
The 15% heal bonus needs to part of Defiance, not the Wrath stacks. Even with the above change, you would still want to hold your Wrath until you have Infuriate to replace it. Wasting Wrath stacks should be bad, not the norm.
We should be using WAR skills more often, or at least be given the chance to use it more. Make Wrath cap @3 stacks, with +3-4% crit per stack, so we're using WAR skills in the middle of rotations.
Storm's Path should apply a high potency regen effect not based on damage. Make it part of a long "A" to "B" rotation. I mean HIGH potency, like 300~ ticks over 18-24s.

This stuff sounds "OP", but because the GCD is 2.5s, we're not dying because the healers have to heal for 20% more, we're dying because healers have to heal us 20% more OFTEN, which isn't possible.

They'll have to make at least half of the above changes before I even think about coming back to WAR, and even then I'm likely to just stay on MNK.

[C-croft]

Dumb question. Has anyone tried stacking DEX to increase parry rates?

[hola]

Dumb question. Has anyone tried stacking DEX to increase parry rates?

if you knew its dumb, then why did you ask?

its like asking

hey, i know im a retard, but do you know im a retard? i want to know.

[C-croft]

if you knew its dumb, then why did you ask?

its like asking

hey, i know im a retard, but do you know im a retard? i want to know.

Because it's out of the box. And I knew I would get some flak for asking. It's a yes or no question and if someone has tried and says it useless so be it. But of course a trollface cookie cutter such as yourself wouldn't understand.

PS I already know I'm a retard. I have been watching this thread and feel even more retarded after reading some of these posts.

[Kitru]

Because it's out of the box. And I knew I would get some flak for asking. It's a yes or no question and if someone has tried and says it useless so be it. But of course a trollface cookie cutter such as yourself wouldn't understand.

I believe that someone did that math for the contribution and, while it added a similar amount to parry/block rate as STR added to parry/block value, that's *all* that it did. STR increases damage along with parry/block so it most definitely edges out DEX.

Of course, one of the bigger issues is that the DEX/STR add such minor amounts to your parry/block rate that it's effectively negligible. It takes something like 30 STR to even see the slightest change.

[C-croft]

I believe that someone did that math for the contribution and, while it added a similar amount to parry/block rate as STR added to parry/block value, that's *all* that it did. STR increases damage along with parry/block so it most definitely edges out DEX.

Of course, one of the bigger issues is that the DEX/STR add such minor amounts to your parry/block rate that it's effectively negligible. It takes something like 30 STR to even see the slightest change.

I had a feeling that might be the case. I had read about the STR stack, wasn't sure if DEX stack would be the same if not worse.

Thanks for taking the time to explain it.

[hola]

Because it's out of the box. And I knew I would get some flak for asking. It's a yes or no question and if someone has tried and says it useless so be it. But of course a trollface cookie cutter such as yourself wouldn't understand.

PS I already know I'm a retard. I have been watching this thread and feel even more retarded after reading some of these posts.

no one has tried it because stacking dex is obviously useless

we all knew it and we dont need to prove it.

why didnt you ask if anyone stacking piety?
so they could get more mp to use more flash?

[C-croft]

no one has tried it because stacking dex is obviously useless

we all knew it and we dont need to prove it.

why didnt you ask if anyone stacking piety?
so they could get more mp to use more flash?

What about DEX stack is useless other than your assumption it is useless? How did you know it was useless?