i believe the philosophy of the games are different, and im under the impression that 14 is meant to be a endgame-centric game as opposed to old 11 where it was a lvl-ing centric game.

tbh i have no problem with people who take time to learn their roles, and they are entitled to since they are paying for it, and it is a game for god's sake. the only problem i have, however, is the player's attitude. being obnoxious, unwilling to learn and a total spoilsports is what i deem unbearable - and it not only pertains to those who dont know their jobs at 50, but also those who are good at what they do but are just too unforgiving and harsh.