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  1. #11
    Player Raiz_Cineris's Avatar
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    Raiz Cineris
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    Hyperion
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Rendaelyne View Post
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    But its not always about DPS following your marks.. Healers gain hate with healing you. If I am in AK and stealing hate from you then that is an issue, especially when you start on Demon wall. You will notice a big issue with not getting hate from all mobs when you reach 50 and your healers will dislike you for it.
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    Rendaelyne Zarovich
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    when I get to that point I would def flip my tactics accordingly...but looking at the topic and the poster's level...I was saying what worked for me at that point in time at that level.

    All I can say is I would be sure to change as needed, but when some can't tank the starter dungeon 3 mob pulls, asking them to do all that you guys describe would be putting the cart in front of the horse so to speak.
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  3. #13
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    Lyote Sharaia
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 90
    my Gladiator is 15, and my MRD is 28, So far I've had zero issues with Healer hate. 2 Overpowers and a Flash will keep aggro off anything but a determined DPS.
    I mark ones, request people focus said Mark, and my runs go smooth.
    The only time Healer Enmity gets to be a problem, is if DDs are standing in red zones or generally taking a lot of damage that needs healing, or the Healer is dropping Cures and Medicas on full HP party members.

    Even just quickly tabbing through the mobs I'm engaged with and dropping a Fracture is probably overkill most times.

    Tomahawk -> Overpower -> Flash -> Brutal Swing -> Overpower -> HS/SS/Maim combo chains. Holds aggro off everything so far.
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  4. #14
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    Supply Demand
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    Adamantoise
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    Warrior Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    my Gladiator is 15, and my MRD is 28.
    I'm not at end game yet (47), but things will change in your 40s. When you see your first good bard you will sweat their aggro pull. Good bards and bad WHMs are the worst : D

    But like I said before with appropriate gear and being cognitive of the aggro meters I have yet to have a problem holding enmity unless I personally screw something up.
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  5. 09-24-2013 10:40 AM

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    Fyreus's Avatar
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    Fyreus Hunter
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    Hyperion
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    I think the problem is people are afraid of letting their dps die. Don't be afraid to let them eat dirt. If i warn someone, and they don't listen, and we're not fighting a masssssive group which requires AoE then i let them die and remind them both as a tank and even as a healer that i'm targeting something for a reason.

    One of the biggest problems i think the OP is dealing with is these dps who wants to 'hold their own' and "solo my own thang" and sometimes you gotta knock them down a notch. If your group is alright just spam flash 3 times, split a lv3 combo, then go in for the fight (careful not to hit sleeping targets) and go with the riot blade routine and flash more for trash mobs (and leave the lv3 hate combo for bosses imho since trash mobs don't last long or do the reverse for faster kills if your party knows what they're doing).

    Also if it's a brd... well... that's normal lol.

    /rant
    Most dps don't really get that killing 1 mob at a time means less healer threat levels, less healing needed, less damage i take, and faster kills as opposed to spreading out damage across a group of mobs that can hit me pretty hard.

    More edits: Here's a nice shield lob macro:
    /action "Shield Lob" <t>
    /enemysign attack1 <t>

    that allows you to mark the target so you don't hear "well i didn't know which one to target" and if you hear that, ask them to use " /target <tt>" and have them focus you or tell them to look at the left of the bar to target the one with the [ 1 ] or read up on macros (https://pay.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...l_game_macros/)
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    Last edited by Fyreus; 09-24-2013 at 10:57 AM.

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    juniglee's Avatar
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    Delenia Forcentis
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    Tonberry
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    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ehayte View Post
    I'm not at end game yet (47), but things will change in your 40s. When you see your first good bard you will sweat their aggro pull. Good bards and bad WHMs are the worst : D

    But like I said before with appropriate gear and being cognitive of the aggro meters I have yet to have a problem holding enmity unless I personally screw something up.
    ^This.

    I went in a party with a really good bard yesterday. I was sweating the whole time trying to keep my aggro with his DPS. Even with Shield Oath and spamming the FB -> SB -> RH combo, his aggro usually kept up to mine, and if I slacked for a moment, the mob would start targeting him.

    Also, Flash as you need, but don't spam Flash. It's pointless. You could be helping out with some damage, which makes your dungeon runs go faster.

    Once you hit any mob with RH, you can rotate between 3 mobs, and by the time you come back to that mob, you should still have a fair amount of aggro on it compared to everyone else.
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    Vanidin Pickles
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    Excalibur
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    Gladiator Lv 67
    Quote Originally Posted by Kupo_Nut View Post
    press:
    ↓ ↘ → Flash
    this will cast Mega Flash doubling it's potency and it's radius.
    Can also press:

    To use Aura Cannon, a single target flash that does damage, but it only works on PS3.
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