While I know some people hiss and burst into flames with the mention of this game, at least its not like FFXI pre-aby. It was a grind from day one with any job, first or not. Most of us actually liked it too because of the social atmosphere, it just took ages if you had a life. Also, yea I know, "THIS ISN'T FFXI", that point has been made quite clear by others; still, it is the same company so some concepts are bound to remain similar.