What do you think about spamming FATEs and Dungeons ?

[Alhanelem]

What do you think about spamming FATEs and Dungeons ?

Before you ask this question you should ask yourself:

What do you think of spam killing the same SINGLE MONSTER type for hours to level up?

Seriously, how is that better than what we have now? Because that's the alternative most people are begging for. When you're doing fates or dungeons, you're moving around, you're fighting a variety of enemies, there's more stuff going on. At WORST, it's more exciting than the typical kill colibri monster for 3-4 hours we had in FFXI.

Fates and dungeons are far better than what most games offer you to level up.

You grasp onto this and make it very clear you're against monster grinding - Except Dungeon and FATES currently in XIV ARR is the exact same concept, stop fooling yourself.

Grinding is grinding, and nobody can invent a level up system that changes that. If it takes time, it's going to get dull eventually no matter how you design it. I'm not fooling myself- its a simple fact. there is more variation in fate and dungeons than there is in single mosnter grind parties. You're the one who's fooling yourself if you belive otherwise. Both are grinding, but one is less terribly boring than the other.

At least in a mob grinding party you can actually do a rotation and 'fight' the enemies.

no you can't, lol. And how is this different than a rotation of fates with different enemies anyway? In FFXI, this is actually discouraged. Moving around to fight different things pre abyssea was often dangerous and not worth the trouble. Post abyssea, you're punished for killing a variety of monsters- you NEED to kill the same ones over and over to get the best XP.

TL;DR. There's only so much you can do to make leveling fun, especially past the first time you do it. Leveling up is a starting point, not the whole game. I can't understand people who live for the grind of leveling up and ignore all the other content in the game.

[Jynxii]

Seriously, how is that better than what we have now? Because that's the alternative most people are begging for. When you're doing fates or dungeons, you're moving around, you're fighting a variety of enemies, there's more stuff going on. At WORST, it's more exciting than the typical kill colibri monster for 3-4 hours we had in FFXI.

The problem is that you don't kill a variety of enemies during FATEs, you spam your instant casts for 40 seconds, then go sit back in town until another pops up and you do this again. If the FATEs went for the 'intended' duration, or lasted 5-10 minutes each (depending on the FATE), then it would be far more exciting. It would even bring dungeons in as an alternative because they'd be on pretty even footing; Dungeon takes about 60 minutes and nets you X experience while 60 minutes of FATEs would also net you X(x) experience, not XXXXXXX experience.

At least in a mob grinding party you can actually do a rotation and 'fight' the enemies.

[Shiyo]

At least in a mob grinding party you can actually do a rotation and 'fight' the enemies.

I learned how to play all my classes in FFXI leveling up in exp parties, I only learned how to tab bio/aero and spam stone leveling SCH and WHM in FF14. I learned what every single ability did, how to use it, how much damage it did, how much enmity it generated, how it skillchained, what were effective combos, how to manage my mp, what stats were good for my class, what food was good for my class, how every other class worked in a party set up besides my own, what was my best way of healing or dealing damage, etc. In FF14 I learned that bio and aero are good for tagging enemies quickly and Blizzard2/BLM is the best for tagging mobs and gaining exp in fates.

[Tupsi]

Before you ask this question you should ask yourself:

What do you think of spam killing the same SINGLE MONSTER type for hours to level up?

You grasp onto this and make it very clear you're against monster grinding - Except Dungeon and FATES currently in XIV ARR is the exact same concept, stop fooling yourself.

[Shuon]

do whatever you enjoy. if FATEs are annoying you, switch over to Dungeons; if both irk you, you could even go explore maps (I get like 30+k exp for completing 1 set of map in late 40s); if none of these interest you at all, and you have no more quests to do, then maybe take a break and level another class/gather/craft or help out FC/LS mates with stuff.

No matter what you do, do it often enough it becomes a grind. However, the prospect of getting 50 (for a myriad of reasons - I am very motivated by the ability to don the full AF for example) usually provide sufficient drive for players to get over the "grind". That being said, if EVERYTHING in the game feels boring to you, then maybe this just isnt the right game for you and do not feel bad to face it and accept it

[Ivy_Blackrose]

I have to level 8 classes to 50 in order to be able ot achieve the max utility I desire, quests are only enough to feed 1 maybe 2 classes, so that means the other 6 classes have no way to level other than fates....keep fates the way they are

[Jynxii]

I have to level 8 classes to 50 in order to be able ot achieve the max utility I desire, quests are only enough to feed 1 maybe 2 classes, so that means the other 6 classes have no way to level other than fates....keep fates the way they are

Just because this is the case, it does not make it good design. When did you plan to get all these classes to 50? In the next 2 months? How long are you going to keep resubscribing when you've completely maxed out all your classes? How long are others going to keep subscribing when they've maxed out all their classes? The current state is going to end up hurting SE just as much as it will the players when everyone has maxed everything, and start logging on less and less until they stop subscribing.

I learned how to play all my classes in FFXI leveling up in exp parties, I only learned how to tab bio/aero and spam stone leveling SCH and WHM in FF14. I learned what every single ability did, how to use it, how much damage it did, how much enmity it generated, how it skillchained, what were effective combos, what was my best way of healing or dealing damage, etc. In FF14 I learned that bio and aero are good for tagging enemies quickly.

I laughed because it is true. :P
What worries me more is when you join one of these groups and see an excess of tanks/healers, and you know they'll be 50 eventually and have very little clue in a dungeon/raid. I'm currently working on WHM now after levelling SCH, so I have the general idea of healing and positioning as a healer, but even I poke my head into dungeons to figure out the differences between the two classes and find out how it works in a 'real world' scenario. I guess it is a good thing I have made some good friends to run with at level 50 when I get there.

[dark0past]

I have to level 8 classes to 50 in order to be able ot achieve the max utility I desire, quests are only enough to feed 1 maybe 2 classes, so that means the other 6 classes have no way to level other than fates....keep fates the way they are

You're correct "quests are only enough to feed 1 maybe 2 classes" but I don't ask to change FATEs !! We need more verity of contents that are interesting and make us experience good times of doing them because of them.. When I do FATEs I only enjoy when I achieve the next level but the 3 hours spamming isn't fun, it's just waste of time. I rather waste my 3 hours in something useful and rewarding, and FATEs aren't useful but rewarding.

[Rumpelstiltzkin]

I think it is super duper boring.

[Nahara]

I come from the background of the old-style leveling parties of FFXI, where players just sat in one place for hours on end pulling mobs that you fought in order to get EXP. Occasionally you would stop to let the healer rest to get MP back (or not if there was a BRD in the party with Mage's Ballad), but for the most part it was hour upon hour of just sitting in one camp, farming the same mobs, and once you got past a certain level, you'd move to another camp and do the same thing.

For me, running FATEs and dungeons for EXP is a significant improvement over the EXP parties of the past that I had participated in for two very important reasons. 1) You're not sitting in the same place doing the same thing. Sure, the tasks you do may be repetitious, but you're always on the move to that next area and the tasks you perform in order to get the gold rank change so you're not always doing the same thing. 2) Income. While it may not feel like a whole lot (and it probably isn't, since XIV has a notable issue with the amount of new money coming into the system), you ARE getting significantly more income in the form of Gil and Free Company Seals than you would be just farming monsters. On top of that, running dungeons appropriate to your level while running FATEs gives you the chance at really good gear that could last you a significant amount of time, again not something you would get if you just farmed monsters.

It's not a perfect system, as the income could be better and I'd like to see a slight boost to dungeon EXP, but I consider it a massive improvement over the old EXP party.