Crit vs Det

[Ramsey]

Just curious from everyone's experience which stat is more desirable? Particularly as a White Mage. Just threw together an Alkalurops+1 for the GF and am not sure what materia to meld to it.

Feel free to direct me to a thread where this has been beaten to death for healers, but I wasn't able to find one in the first few pages.

[Animation]

Off-topic but what did you need to make a Alkalurops?

Crit: How much your heals will crit.
Det: How much you heal normaly.

Raise the lowest one as both are useful.

[Ramsey]

I do know what both stats do, but I wasn't sure if the values were equivalent... Dancing Mad's calculators indicate that 9 critical rate and 6 determination (the value on a Tier IV materia) add the same % to overall healing, giver or take a tenth of a percent. Surprised to see they're so even. I suppose determination wins out simply because the increased healing would be even and not bursty.

As for the Alkalurops, please look at XIVDB: http://xivdb.com/?search/alkalurops

[TeddyPrime]

Determination only affects the healing that you receive, not the healing that you do to others...

[Ramsey]

Determination only affects the healing that you receive, not the healing that you do to others...

Utterly false. The wording "increases healing recovered by spells" is slightly misleading, but it means the amount your healing spells recover (on anyone.) It does not affect healing received at all.

[Azga]

Utterly false. The wording "increases healing recovered by spells" is slightly misleading, but it means the amount your healing spells recover (on anyone.) It does not affect healing received at all.

Are you sure about that because I don't understand why 2 stats do same things for a Healer (MIND and Determination)

[Rizzo]

Determination only affects the healing that you receive, not the healing that you do to others...

From where do people keep getting this completely wrong information? I see your main is an arcanist, but if you cast a WHM Regen on other people, it will tic for the same amount on yourself as it will on anyone else. Pretty sure Determination affects the heals you cast.

On topic, my suggestion would be to see if any spells or traits directly benefit from crit. For the SCH, shields receive a direct benefit from crit (bigger shields). This sounds pretty groovy.

For WHM, your Cure 3 will get an automatic crit 15% of the time when casting Cure 2. Pretty low chance since you really can't spam Cure 2 and expect to have a mana bar for longer than 10 seconds. Other than that, there are no beneficial effects for crit. For WHM, I would suggest focusing mainly on Determination.

[TeddyPrime]

Have you ever done Titan HM and get entombed in rock? You get a status debuff at the same time that gives a really large determination down. Healing that person with regular heals is almost impossible as it does 60% less healing points cured.

The same debuff is available from fighting Hydra, one of his AoEs gives Determination Down and the only way to give that person a good cure is by using Lustrate which is based on a % of that persons' HP.

I have not seen any information on determination affecting the cures a healer does on someone else.
If it does, please provide link and reference, I'll be happy to read a testing or two to change my mind on this stat.



Unless there's a mistake from SE's part, it might be a huge oversight/mistranslation.

[Ramsey]

I have not seen any information on determination affecting the cures a healer does on someone else.

If you don't look for information, you won't find it. I mean that in the most polite way possible. I actually look for information when researching statistics, and I haven't seen any misinformation indicating that it behaves as you assumed it did.

If it does, please provide link and reference, I'll be happy to read a testing or two to change my mind on this stat.

Please use Dancing Mad's Healing Calculator, if you want the numbers and research, it's all on the site as well.

SE did not make a mistake, think about it "amount of HP restored by healing spells" could mean either healing received or dealt, it is indeed ambiguously worded, but logic dictates the truth is the simplest conclusion to get to. All of the other effects of determination increase YOUR potency on OTHER targets. So naturally, the conclusion is that it increases the healing you deal. It should be changed to "healing dealt" for clarity's sake, it seems the ambiguity was an oversight. If I had to guess, simply looking at the description in other languages might reveal a less ambiguous sentence structure, but I'm not going to look at the moment.

[NakoSuri]

It seems that the general consensus on stat weights for WHM are as follows: MND > PIE > Determination > Spell Speed > Critical Chance > VIT. This is based purely on information I have found on various web sites, I play SCH myself, just thought I'd try and help out.