Stop being so selfish.

[chubnasty]

I don't think anyone (with sense) would complain about that.

If you're rolling "need" on something you actually have a use for, go for it.
If you're rolling "need" because you want to NPC it for pocket change, or turn it in for seals, you're kinda just being a dick.

How? I turn in gear for seals then I turn around and use those seals for gear for my other characters or I use it for EXP boost for crafting and gathering. You'd be a dick to deny me the opportunity to get seals from a dungeon that doesn't normally grant seals.

[ispano]

How? I turn in gear for seals then I turn around and use those seals for gear for my other characters or I use it for EXP boost for crafting and gathering. You'd be a dick to deny me the opportunity to get seals from a dungeon that doesn't normally grant seals.

And you'd be the dick that denies the other group members the same opportunity to do so, because they can't roll need, but you can. That's the point. If that's what you want it for, the fair thing is to greed with everyone else.

[chubnasty]

And you'd be the dick that denies the other group members the same opportunity to do so, because they can't roll need, but you can. That's the point. If that's what you want it for, the fair thing is to greed with everyone else.

as a conjurer/white mage i wouldn't feel slighted at all if someone rolled need on a tank item to turn them into seals. luck of the draw. if you don't feel the same then i feel sorry for you. if i can get an item and use it i will need all i want.

[ispano]

as a conjurer/white mage i wouldn't feel slighted at all if someone rolled need on a tank item to turn them into seals. luck of the draw. if you don't feel the same then i feel sorry for you. if i can get an item and use it i will need all i want.

And that's why they use the word selfish in the thread title. At least I can blacklist you.

[amnie]

How? I turn in gear for seals then I turn around and use those seals for gear for my other characters or I use it for EXP boost for crafting and gathering. You'd be a dick to deny me the opportunity to get seals from a dungeon that doesn't normally grant seals.

and why do you need those seals more than the rest of your party?

see, this is what I was dreading with the blocking need when it's not the right class. now people start needing because they can instead of sticking to the good old rules of need/greed/pass.

if you really really really want something that is the definition of GREED

need is that you ACTUALLY need something.

I'll give you a real-life example so maybe you understand the difference:

you need water
you greed soda

[Crica]

the lot rules for DF groups are: if you are playing the class the gear is for, you may roll NEED/GREED/PASS on it FOR ANY REASON YOU WANT TO and if you are NOT playing the class the gear is for, you may roll GREED/PASS on it FOR ANY REASON YOU WANT TO

anything else is your own MADE UP RULES, and to be able to use those, you must form/join a party with players who WANT TO USE YOUR MADE UP RULES

ppl who join a random DF group in order to use the random DF group lot rules ARE PLAYING BY THE RULES OF THE GAME - if you dont like that, stay outta random DF groups and go form your own groups and use your own made up lot rules

[Crica]

i dont understand why mmo devs even bother to let random groups of ppl lot on items anymore

all everyone does while in a group of RANDOM STRANGERS WHOM DID NOT AGREE ON ANY LOOT RULES THAT THE OP OF THIS THREAD WANTS TO USE BEFORE THEY JOINED THE GROUP is argue about whom should or should not lot

(even when its clear that the GAME MECHANICS themselves are not set up for the OP OF THIS THREAD to have any say in what individual players may roll need on or not WHILE IN A RANDOM DUTY FINDER GROUP)

mmo devs need to just give out personal loot to players when they are in groups of random players and leave the lotting on loot to the pre-made groups

imo, if the GAME does NOT give YOU the ability to control what I roll need on or not, then sorry, YOU dont get ANY SAY in what i roll need on or not

just as i dont expect to have any say in what you roll need on or not when the game does not give me the ability to control what you roll need on or not