Warriors are useless at end game

[Legend1337]

Please fix them T-T no fun in playing warrior atm.

[Aleisterz]

Here we go. You could at LEAST point out why my friend. I love tanking as a warrior end-game and the only problem I have with them is that we eat the healer's mana and have no real defense aside a larger HP pool during 8-man raids.. Aside that.. No issue with them, love'em I just don't like the serious hate at us atm for end-game raiding. It causes me to try out a paladin and see how I like it.. Though I WILL most likely stick to warrior.. Just may end up using the paladin job for raids like coil or something where no one wants a warrior. Don't whine about something on here and provide valid reasons to it.

[Legend1337]

Well the thing that irritates me, no one wants us for titan or coil. Because we cant rly tank it atm (especially coil)
Its been said before offcourse but it was annoying me now so i maked another post about it.

[waka_swag]

so i maked another post about it.

this maked me lol

[The_Brute]

but it was annoying me now so i maked another post about it.

People have no patience anymore. Just Give SE time. Not even the hallowed WoW got all the classes perfect right out of the bag. Does anyone else remember the terrible state that Warlocks and Hunters were in on release day for wow? Hell they didn't get some of their classes squared away until the Burning Crusade launched. Just give it time and be patient.

[hola]

Here we go. You could at LEAST point out why my friend. I love tanking as a warrior end-game and the only problem I have with them is that we eat the healer's mana and have no real defense aside a larger HP pool during 8-man raids.. Aside that.. No issue with them, love'em I just don't like the serious hate at us atm for end-game raiding. It causes me to try out a paladin and see how I like it.. Though I WILL most likely stick to warrior.. Just may end up using the paladin job for raids like coil or something where no one wants a warrior. Don't whine about something on here and provide valid reasons to it.

speak about whining, you already did.

[Zhane]

Actually I can't understand most of the players who carve words in stone like "WAR are useless" or "Not viable in endgame". The games mechanic changes from time to time so be patient and stick with your WAR if you like it. Of course there are players who will jump on the OP class train and switch to a job which is currently favored but I'm sure SE will tweak the class in certain way (or make a complete overhaul) of WAR tank mechanic. Personally I like WAR because it's not a cookie-cutter class where fail and success are close together.

Just take a look how often a class is changed in other MMO's. Finally it's certain SE won't drop a class in favor for PLD for example.

[Harmonium]

I give them one month. If nothing change i go up a paladin i have already the dl stuff and garuda weapon for paladin. One month no more. If i can't do the end game with my warrior main tank no way i stay warrior. Even i like it...

[Kitru]

WAR isn't *useless*. WAR is a perfectly viable class: it can run content. People have demonstrated this. The problem with them is that WAR is demonstrably and noticeably *inferior* to PLD for all intents and purposes: they have no real DPS advantage, require more external healing, and have a CD suite that can't handle emergency situations as well.

The problem is that people keep interpreting "inferior" as "useless". If you're only interested in using an optimized composition, yes, WAR is useless. If you're just interested in bringing the classes you and your friends enjoy while clearing content, WAR is perfectly fine to bring. You'll have an easier time with PLD, of course, but it's not going to prevent you from being able to clear content based entirely upon your class choice.

The entire discussion has gotten more than a bit hyperbolic. I'm one of those people that readily points out the relative performance of a PLD and a WAR. Many people have interpreted this as me having a belief that there's no point bringing a WAR to anything. This isn't true. Hell, I *still* play a WAR even though I've got PLD at 50 because PLD is just boring.

WAR fulfills the minimum performance requirements of a tank. They're not "useless". They're just inferior.

[Zhane]

Maybe the team can get an inspiration of blood death knight class as an inspiration.

world of warcraft for example proofed that hybrid classes can be viable tanks. It just a matter of time and community feedback.