Fates literally do not scale.

[Ryihito]

You armchair game devs need to sit down and stop responding, because you're 100% wrong. The fact another game does scaling perfectly fine, and has NO PROBLEMS with the way it scales fates shows it can be done and done right.

And you need to calm down and stop taking it so seriously. Yoshi-P has already explained how FATEs work.

[Dhalmel]

Some FATES also need to randomize the spawning points, a number of FATE you will see Thaumaturges/Black Mages spamming Blizzard II over and over in one spot because the enemy NPCs always spawn in that same area. It's a nightmare for melee classes.

It's even more annoying when they technically spawn just outside of the FATE's designation area circle.

The Redbelly hive one is the one that comes most to mind.

[Lux_Rayna]

OP is incorrect, and if op had played gw2 for any length of time he would notice the root of the problem.

Get enough players together and any scale gets blown out of the water. That's just the reality of event systems. Scaling only benefits those by themselves or in a small group. A zerg will never notice a scale because zergs are too strong.

The irony is I saw this exact complaint in gw2 forums. So much for scaling perfectly.

[skiwi]

*Snip* because of character limit

Your ideas sound feasible and I think they are, but keep one thing in mind, you asked "so can you (or anyone) tell me the exact difference between a) GW2's open MMO world and dynamic event system and b) FFXIV's open MMO world and FATE system?".

Yoshi-P has stated this quite a few times, they have a very different server setup compared to any other MMORPG last seen. Their server handles practically everything, I am not saying that it is a factor that could worsen the idea of scaling, but it is definately something that they need to take into account and they could, because of that, not 'copy-paste'* code from GW2 in FFXIV:ARR.
* Of course copy-pasting is not possibly like this in software, but it's just there for the argument.

[Kallera]

Some FATES also need to randomize the spawning points, a number of FATE you will see Thaumaturges/Black Mages spamming Blizzard II over and over in one spot because the enemy NPCs always spawn in that same area. It's a nightmare for melee classes.

It's even more annoying when they technically spawn just outside of the FATE's designation area circle.

The Redbelly hive one is the one that comes most to mind.

"It Ziz what it is" and "The Prodigal Son" also suffer from that problem. One or two well timed Wide Volley and I'm in Gold.

[Balaur]

There is something for both sides here: FATEs DO scale -- but only up to a point. But for the most part, it depends on the type of FATE you are dealing with. Some FATEs are NMs that come with their own mobs, and these do NOT scale. The mobs spawn, and continue to respawn, on the basis of the FATE's parameters. However, other FATEs that include a defense do tend to spawn MORE mobs each respawn wave whenever another player joins. This does not mean mob power scales individually, nor do NMs scale individually that I've noticed. (Though, I've tanked very few FATEs to measure their impact against my armor dependant on the number of players present.)

[Noata]

I dunno we had complaints exactly similar to this in the GW2 forums during its initial launch, with zergs clearing content like nothing... and still do to this day. the difference was as the hype died down the number of participants died down. I think you can still search and find these posts if you do enough digging. I really do not see an issue, the idea that there will always be 100'd of players zerging FATES is wrong. I think personally it would be foolish to even consider a change yet till observations lead to a valid conclusion. a game barely over a month old still has yet to establish its actual permanent population... I would wait till I got my numbers before I made changes to systems or features that could mess everything up. I guess that would be thinking outside the box that is the gamer though.

[Reiterpallasch]

It's even more annoying when they technically spawn just outside of the FATE's designation area circle.

For what it's worth, you still get credit even if the FATE isn't still showing in the log (provided you were inside at least once anyways). Hell, you don't have to be anywhere near the FATE when it finishes either. You can do the first half, the run to the opposite end up a zone to hop into a 2nd FATE and you'll get credit when the first one finishes.

[jpem]

For what it's worth, you still get credit even if the FATE isn't still showing in the log (provided you were inside at least once anyways). Hell, you don't have to be anywhere near the FATE when it finishes either. You can do the first half, the run to the opposite end up a zone to hop into a 2nd FATE and you'll get credit when the first one finishes.

I've had it happen where I need to level sync but I couldn't since all the mobs were outside. So I just didn't get credit. But otherwise yeah.

[casker]

sure, add a little scaling, but not too much. scaling in GW2 was ass because everything was perfectly tuned to have you be able to do it. There was never any variety and never any challenge whether you were alone or with a zerg (not a group, since nobody groups). At least in FF14 you can experience difficulty or non-difficulty based on how many people are around. Ironically the non-scalingness is partly what helps lead to some semblance of dynamic content.