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    Nanga's Avatar
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    Rite Neow
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    Adamantoise
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    Leatherworker Lv 60
    The way I see it is, a market for something is created when there's a demand for it. Since this game requires a heck of a lot of gil to do some things (crafting, repairs, teleporting, to name a few), and only gil farmers really have the patience or drive to do the very tedious things it requires to generate sufficient gil, then the game itself is actually driving the market for them.
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    Kyotae's Avatar
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    Valkore Baulerro
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    Adamantoise
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    Marauder Lv 19
    Quote Originally Posted by Nanga View Post
    The way I see it is, a market for something is created when there's a demand for it. Since this game requires a heck of a lot of gil to do some things (crafting, repairs, teleporting, to name a few), and only gil farmers really have the patience or drive to do the very tedious things it requires to generate sufficient gil, then the game itself is actually driving the market for them.
    Nope, so wrong are you. It isn't the game it is the lack of character and moral value of the player buying the gil. It is the choice made by the person and the quality of the person can be gaged by their choices regardless of the actions / conditions affecting them.

    " The Devil made me do it " just doesn't flush......
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    Warlyx Arada
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    Moogle
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    White Mage Lv 90
    by the time SE bans a bot , that bot has made millions (selling things on MW) that legit players bought. And the damage on the market wards is done.

    i see price on MW dropping like crazy, shards is just an example ~~

    SE need to start banning FASTER or the economy is going down the toilet (if itsnt already )
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    Geo Stigma
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    Gilgamesh
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Almost every online game handles bot bans in "waves" as in they will wait for reports to pile up and ban them all at once. For some reason they like to allow the botters to acquire enough real-life currency by selling their in-game earnings to gold sellers so they can re-purchase the game (or several copies of the game) after they are banned and continue botting.

    This creates a cycle of sorts that is mutually beneficial for the botters and the company. (Botters make profit and purchase more copies of the game so the company makes a profit too and is able to fluff sales numbers to show their share-holders)

    Everyone wins except for us, the people who don't bot.

    Some people believe the purpose of the "wave" bans is to be unpredictable, making it easier to ban them along with their currency. The thing with this is that they are almost always predictable and most experienced botters are easily capable of selling off their earnings or spreading it over multiple accounts to avoid this. I recall seeing a story a while back on MMO botters. Some of them have actually done quite well for themselves and have some extreme setups. Of course, I've probably just got my tin foil hat on too tight.
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    Last edited by Ergumenus; 09-21-2013 at 09:36 PM.

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    Diego Linden
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    Behemoth
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    Lancer Lv 50
    They just need track and ban all accounts related to that bot ... like the one he sends the gils for try make it "safe" from ban. Just Ban all and gg
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    Aixa's Avatar
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    Aixa Ravenpaw
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    Faerie
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    Ninja Lv 59
    That is their main strategy, they let the bots run around while they map the group then they ban them all. If they banned the bot instantly the rest would scatter. This however takes a few days or even more than week.

    Also even teleporting your getting at best like 4 items every 10 seconds. But the just sell them to players not npcs.
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    Totorro's Avatar
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    Totorro Ravenous
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    I feel like there's more and more of them recently.
    I went to go level up MIN a bit and in the starting area outside of Ul'dah there was me and two other people mining regularly and two bots telemining around.
    Then when I went to do my level 5 class quest the area I was at there was me mining normally and 6-8 bots telemining.
    It was kind of disgusting seeing it happen and knowing that it's going to keep happening for a while -_-;
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    Darlingchan's Avatar
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    Darling Chan
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    Ultros
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    What SE seriously needs to do is hire In Game Managers. GM's with the power to ban players with an easy click. Players reporting them will only swamp them with tickets, and if my experience with customer support is any indication to their organization in that department, it will take months for them to get through them all.

    The good thing about this game is that there is only one channel, so players can see all other players in the same area. GM's would be able to ban them all quickly and clean the game up for the rest of us.
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    Delsus Highwind
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    Odin
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    Red Mage Lv 86
    Quote Originally Posted by Darlingchan View Post
    What SE seriously needs to do is hire In Game Managers. GM's with the power to ban players with an easy click. Players reporting them will only swamp them with tickets, and if my experience with customer support is any indication to their organization in that department, it will take months for them to get through them all.

    The good thing about this game is that there is only one channel, so players can see all other players in the same area. GM's would be able to ban them all quickly and clean the game up for the rest of us.
    Banning with one click will cause more problems it will solve, you will get people reporting legit players, either through a misunderstanding, or malicious intent, which is why SE investigates all reports. All SE can do is IP ban all and any RMT rather than an account ban, but they would get around that, RMT adapt very fast to countermeasures put in place, bans, filters, trade restrictions etc etc.
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    Darling Chan
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    Ultros
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Delsus View Post
    Banning with one click will cause more problems it will solve, you will get people reporting legit players, either through a misunderstanding, or malicious intent, which is why SE investigates all reports. All SE can do is IP ban all and any RMT rather than an account ban, but they would get around that, RMT adapt very fast to countermeasures put in place, bans, filters, trade restrictions etc etc.
    The point of a GM, is for them to see the bot for themselves, not for them to just go with whatever people are saying. That would be the same concept as reporting, which I said would take a very long time to process.
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