wtf with all this hate to summoners?

[RedAntares]

And nobody likes to use bane because it sucks. It has the range of my pinky finger.

I'm sorry but Bane is the most useful skill a summoner can have against adds on bosses and mobs, you just need to know when to use it since it can gain you a lot of hate if you use it wrong, also if you can't use bane because the mobs are too far from each other you can use Fester instead which it does amazing damage.

I'm not saying that SMN is the most amazing class out there but if played right it actually does quite a lot of damage and has a lot of versatile skills since you can AoE, Single Target Burst, DoT and even heal yourself to relief stress from the healer and I'm not even counting pet abilities.

[KujinRen]

Summoners have the highest DPS in the game. The reason people hate summoners was because of the initial parser results which showed them to be the lowest DPS but it didn't calculate the DoTs correctly. Now parsers are working and summoners are finally concluded as highest DPS output out of all classes. Problem is...first impressions last and so a lot of ignorant idiots out there still think summoners are low DPS.

Ignore them. That's all you can do.

Summoners are highly sought after in good groups. They may even be more sought after than bards since they currently do 30-50% more DPS than any oth%r DPS class.

Unfortunately, there aren't any accurate parsers out there at the moment. Currently, Summoner's damage parse somehow includes everyone else's DoTs from his/her group.

I started getting curious when a group of friends did HM Ifrit with me. The Summoner had died halfway through the fight. He was never rezzed back up therefore he was out half the fight. In the end, it showed him at over 120,000 damage done while the 2nd runner up did 79,000 damage. I told myself this doesn't seem right.

The only somewhat accurate way to parse a Summoner right now is to take him straight to the practice dummies and let him and only him DPS the dummy for a few minutes. Record your data. Next, have another DPS parse. Now compare the data of the practice dummies to the data you would see in an Ifrit run. You'll see a significant difference.

Summoners are NOT shitty DPS, however they're also not as high as some people think due to inaccurate parsers.

[EdwinLi]

Monk has no love as well since almost everyone prefers Dragoon and Bard's burst DD rate over Monk's Consistant DD rate.

Currently in endgame Monks are the rarest Job you'll run into in the game. Even with hate on Summoner, Monks still remain bottom of the most played class in Endgame.

Monks are better DD now due to the buffs SE made to Greased Lightning. Now Greased Lightning also increase Damage rate for all attacks by 6% per Greased Lighting with the Attack Speed boost as well. It a easy 18% attack Speed and Damage rate increase to provide optimal DD.

[Malamasala]

As a Summoner I've felt like the weakness in general is in gimmicky fights. Like stand on stuff to remove Doom requires a lot of skill to actually get a pet to survive. I also found it terrible against the Malboro where you had to eat fruit, but your pet doesn't get the fruit effect (This was on SCH though, but same problem remain as SMN). I've also felt the job suffering when you need to kill popped stuff as soon as possible, because DoTs are not fast and do not do well with stuff appearing all over the place.

In short, I find the class/job fine at stuff that is focused on dealing damage over time, but suffering from "do or die" mechanics not covering pet survival.

[Airget]

. Like stand on stuff to remove Doom requires a lot of skill to actually get a pet to survive. I also found it terrible against the Malboro where you had to eat fruit, but your pet doesn't get the fruit effect .

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Situations like that though you have to realize not all jobs/classes can react to the situation in the same way. As a SCH that went up against the annoying poison of the Malboro, you just have to keep an eye on your pet's poison count, when it looks like it's getting to a point where they might die, swift cast becomes a godsend because you can bring them back while only missing one turn in the cure phase but not losing your buddy with the curing.

if you lack swiftcast however you just need to anticipate the best time to start resummoning the pet but in a way where you do it before the pet dies and maybe when rouse is up since at least your pet should be able to handle the healing while you call for a new one to help you out.

[Idrael]

I believe it's because people expected something different out of the job rather than skills like fester(which is really awesome, just not really summony), and just model-swapping the carbuncles to their respective egis rather than changing them.

Also people expected their summons to be huge hulking beasts that would stomp everything. I like my egis, I just wish they were big enough to ride on. That would be my only wish.

[c2alston]

I started out leveling up THM to open BLM. Then when I leveled the sub Arcanist to open BLM it felt a little underwhelmed. Then the further I got and studied the mechanics and rotation I saw the pluses of the job. I opened up SMN but in group play I still use silver carby the most for DPS and sometimes Ifrit. SMN is a beast soloing I've monster logged mobs up to 9 levels hirer then me with Titan and my Chocobo out for the fight.

Well I stopped with the SMN for a min and went back to BLM to get a couple of levels. This is when I realized my DPS was better with the SMN and pet versus the BLM. Burst on adds on boss fight nope not gonna happen quick but if you focus your pet on add also you get them down with other DPS in no time.


My SMN has helped a lot in pinch from healing to swiftcast rezzing to Titan tanking because the tank went down. People that have seen good SMN's know that these things happen but not the community as a whole.

[savant07]

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You could test it solo on a dummy and know that your DPS is around 300-350 with full dark light and relic