wtf with all this hate to summoners?

[Noata]

It is misplaced, The Duty Finder brings out the worst in people, the playerbase of the game are exploiters, who would abuse staying logged in all day back when there was no AFK kicker just so the could play the game even if it meant taking away from someone else. Right now due to lack of tanks, A good majority are feeling entitled and often times if a tank says something it goes. Your far better off trying to recruit on server via shouts then DF. It is faster, safer and you get better people.

[CrimsonQueen]

When I play SMN I out-damage a Bard, you just need to know when to pop them skills and when to hold them. I finished Titan HM easy and out-damaged my party. When i'm doing Dungeons i always feel as if i'm carrying people.

[Tagihi]

a good smn usely has very high dps, but also not many smn can't control there pets.
Overall dmg, smn do beat many dps.

[Nikita]

When I play SMN I out-damage a Bard, you just need to know when to pop them skills and when to hold them. I finished Titan HM easy and out-damaged my party. When i'm doing Dungeons i always feel as if i'm carrying people.

Yeah when I did Titan HM I outdamaged my entire party as well. SMN is probably the best DPS for Titan HM. How ironic that makes this situation.

This was just one of the many parses I took on a Titan HM attempt:

http://i.imgur.com/A3ulrxm.jpg

[Totobi]

Yeah when I did Titan HM I outdamaged my entire party as well. SMN is probably the best DPS for Titan HM. How ironic that makes this situation.

Just curious, do either you have proof? As far as i was aware parsers do not track SMN properly.

[Jennestia]

Bad SMNs aside it's not a weak DPS or pull hate easily - Unless for some odd reason you're using Titan or Ifrit or Gauda in these fights. While true a TON of people don't bother controlling their pets, most have an innate -dt trait that negates most damage. While I wish SMN was designed differently, it's not "bad" or any legitimate reason to leave just because a SMN is in the group.

[Zuri]

I agree. Lot of hate for poor o'le smn. But also for Dps war. I've proved many wrong by scoring 750+ crits on Titan. W/o Bravura and 820~ with. Just goes to show ppl can't think outside the damn box. Those are the ones holding the game back from evolving into something greater.

[NefGP]

I think currently the reason people don't want smn is because they are considered one of the lowest dps. Also, there are a lot of bad smns out there who let their pets die mid-fight which also reduces their dps significantly on a parse. At the end of the day elitests want the highest dps classes which are currently bard and black mage with lancer trailing slightly behind. From my experience, monk seems to get the same treatment as smn does in a lot of cases.

That's complete utter crap. Not only have I outtanked people on my SMN (Granted I'm only 31 so far on the job) but my DPS has been pretty stellar using Ifrit Egi so far. What the problem might be, is that some SMN might not realize that their Pet's performance is tied to their own gear/stats.

[NefGP]

* Continued from previous post because stupid character limit*


In other words, if you're wearing crap, your pets will also be crap. To what degree stats are influenced however, I don't know. For example, if it's like FFX where all of Yuna's stats translated directly to her Summons (e.g. if Yuna's STR was low, so would the Aeon's STR) or if it's more generic than that and perhaps derived either purely from INT, and/or a combination of secondary stats like DEF.

[Miew]

For Boss fights SMN actually give out the highest DPS,
The problem is most SMN are bad at using their skills so it just give a bad name to the rest