wtf with all this hate to summoners?

[HamHam]

It sorta feels like the SMN players here are just as bad as those that quit. All I keep seeing is "I'm great. SMN isn't bad, all of the other players are." I feel that it is a weaker class. It may have decent dps but it requires more work to get the dps rolling and other times you can't get it at all or at least not very effectively. Besides that you also have to control your pet or let the AI freak out which makes this class even harder.

I don't agree with people for leaving because of one but I'm not so biased towards my SMN to not see its shortcomings. It is (to a lesser degree) like the elementalist from GW2. It takes more skill to be good with it and that makes it a worse class overall because if you have to choose between consistent level of play from DRG or inconsistent skill level from SMN then a wise choice is to take the consistency. Again, I don't think that should be reason enough to be ***holes but I do see the point trying to be made.

And nobody likes to use bane because it sucks. It has the range of my pinky finger.

P.S. HamHam, you are no better than the people discussed in this thread when you make comments like your first one. "You aren't perfect? You find something difficult? My class is too good for you, go somewhere else."

Oh look, friend. I'm not here to discuss that I'm better than anyone else. However, I will not going to stand by when people say SMN aren't good. When we know they are one of the highest DPS jobs in the game right now.

You want to bring a perspective about SMN, but from what I see you just became a SMN, so please play out the job and then come back and comment about whether it sucks or it's great.

Now, I don't appreciate when someone put words in my mouth, or misinterpret what I meant or not meant. At what moment did I say I'm better than anyone? I merely pointed out what I have experienced so far with SMN. Not my fault you didn't like it.

[RedAntares]

And nobody likes to use bane because it sucks. It has the range of my pinky finger.

I'm sorry but Bane is the most useful skill a summoner can have against adds on bosses and mobs, you just need to know when to use it since it can gain you a lot of hate if you use it wrong, also if you can't use bane because the mobs are too far from each other you can use Fester instead which it does amazing damage.

I'm not saying that SMN is the most amazing class out there but if played right it actually does quite a lot of damage and has a lot of versatile skills since you can AoE, Single Target Burst, DoT and even heal yourself to relief stress from the healer and I'm not even counting pet abilities.

[FrogDog]

Obviously they listened to this lady's advice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txgjAiw8Rew

[Amsai]

I run Ak as smn with a pld another smn and sch. We have no problem putting down the wall. We just ignore the bees and slap down the wall..... no need to use LB even. We usually clear it in about 40 mins. The only set up we run thats faster is same set up but replace smns wth bards.
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[EdwinLi]

Monk has no love as well since almost everyone prefers Dragoon and Bard's burst DD rate over Monk's Consistant DD rate.

Currently in endgame Monks are the rarest Job you'll run into in the game. Even with hate on Summoner, Monks still remain bottom of the most played class in Endgame.

Monks are better DD now due to the buffs SE made to Greased Lightning. Now Greased Lightning also increase Damage rate for all attacks by 6% per Greased Lighting with the Attack Speed boost as well. It a easy 18% attack Speed and Damage rate increase to provide optimal DD.

[Malamasala]

As a Summoner I've felt like the weakness in general is in gimmicky fights. Like stand on stuff to remove Doom requires a lot of skill to actually get a pet to survive. I also found it terrible against the Malboro where you had to eat fruit, but your pet doesn't get the fruit effect (This was on SCH though, but same problem remain as SMN). I've also felt the job suffering when you need to kill popped stuff as soon as possible, because DoTs are not fast and do not do well with stuff appearing all over the place.

In short, I find the class/job fine at stuff that is focused on dealing damage over time, but suffering from "do or die" mechanics not covering pet survival.

[Airget]

. Like stand on stuff to remove Doom requires a lot of skill to actually get a pet to survive. I also found it terrible against the Malboro where you had to eat fruit, but your pet doesn't get the fruit effect .

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Situations like that though you have to realize not all jobs/classes can react to the situation in the same way. As a SCH that went up against the annoying poison of the Malboro, you just have to keep an eye on your pet's poison count, when it looks like it's getting to a point where they might die, swift cast becomes a godsend because you can bring them back while only missing one turn in the cure phase but not losing your buddy with the curing.

if you lack swiftcast however you just need to anticipate the best time to start resummoning the pet but in a way where you do it before the pet dies and maybe when rouse is up since at least your pet should be able to handle the healing while you call for a new one to help you out.

[Idrael]

I believe it's because people expected something different out of the job rather than skills like fester(which is really awesome, just not really summony), and just model-swapping the carbuncles to their respective egis rather than changing them.

Also people expected their summons to be huge hulking beasts that would stomp everything. I like my egis, I just wish they were big enough to ride on. That would be my only wish.